It's partisan, but here you go: http://4vawa.org/pages/tribal-provision-of-s-1925-myths-v-facts According to a quick glance at CDC statistics a similar 'lifetime rape chance' number for women across the US is 20%. Both numbers are subject to all the usual caveats about rape being a very under reported crime. EDIT: Added another myth/fact section to the quote box which better highlights the 'non-native american men given free hand to rape native american women' gap in the law, to go along with the raw statistics.
Our native reservations have a LOT of issues, and I'm not surprised to hear that violence against women is among them. My lack of surprise should not be taken as lack of sadness. It's really a terrible situation.
Reserves up here aren't in a good state either. The comment just piqued my curiosity because to my knowledge the problem up here is predominately incestuous rape and targeting of vulnerable women off-reservation rather than venue shopping. I would guess this is a consequence of our reserve police being an extension of provincial and federal policing efforts rather than municipal police forces, but it's hard to say. Also, reserve police tend to be funded as temporary programs rather than normal detachments, so this is subject to change and gives me something to be pissed about. BAD FEELS FOR ALL.
My (admittedly very limited) understanding of the reservations here is that they are supposed to be considered sovereign areas, and thus the law enforcement is very different there (in addition to the laws themselves).
Well, that's nominally the system here as well. But presumably they got to policing and thought "No, that's insane; let's do something else."
Yeah well, I'm sort of biased here but the country still seems to have the stance of "We need to get rid of those damn Indians" when you get down to it since the government was still sterilizing women in the 70s - and that's what we know about. Anything that helps the savages, be it police assistance (especially to curb the internal violence), anti-violence legislation to deal with outsiders committing crimes against residents, or fucking electricity (I'm not kidding here) just can't be allowed.
So, I just got in an argument on #qt3 about this video. I think it's way misogynistic to the point of ruining any/all the funny. Others, people I'd usually respect the opinions of, disagreed. So, what, am I too sensitive?
Not sensitive enough to realize how lame it is to huff out of an argument and then try and start it up somewhere else with different people in order to reinforce your worldview. Apparently.
Pretty much, yeah. A lot of what's in that video is stuff that I've heard from both men and women in LA. Not everything is OMG PATRIARCHY, dude.
As this conversation is proving, this isn't different people. Charles, the same people here can talk about this can as talked about it there, and I made no secret of the fact that I'm continuing from a discussion on #qt3. As for leaving the channel, I was angry, and continuing to participate wasn't going to be good for me. Leaving felt like the sensible thing to do in the circumstances. Yes, obviously I'm hoping that other people will come here and see the video and give their opinions, because what would be the point in arguing with the same ones?
The first rule of #qt3 is don't talk about [what happens in] #qt3. The second rule of #qt3 is No Smoking.
Okay, so apparently there's an unspoken dictum that we don't talk about things that happened on IRC on the forum, of which I was unaware. I'm happy to unreservedly apologise for violating that convention. Genuinely, sorry. I still think the video is worth discussing in and of itself.
It was a bit distasteful, but it didn't offend. But I'm a white guy who is sometimes distasteful. Didn't find it all that funny either. It would be interesting to see what some of the women of the forum think.
I turned it off after the bit about how the bars close early so you can't get women drunk enough to sleep with you. Ew.
See, there's an interesting comparison. I like "Jizz In My Pants", and I feel that it isn't (or at least, is much less less) misogynistic, because the humour in it is directed at the male character - it's fundamentally self-deprecating. Whereas "Women In LA" is targeting women (for being fat, not maintaining the dude's particular standards re: body hair, for being after money or status, for being difficult to get drunk (seriously, gross) etc.) at least as often as it is making fun of the man for getting shot down.
Yeap, you're right. And considering the large variety of things people on the forum have gotten worked up over, I don't think you're being too sensitive. I get annoyed at hairy armpit and leg jokes, I was friends with a lot of naturalists in college, and at the time if I was gonna get mad at the realization that men have plenty of physical traits they're supposed to live up to, then I'm gonna get mad at the ones women have been forced to live up to.
No idea about the content of the video, but I can probably guess it's not funny to begin with because it says Pauly Shore right there in the title.
That's actually the only slightly funny part, because you're watching the scene with Shore thinking "wait, is that..."
Because of that, I had to look. You're a bastard. So I wasn't the only one who had to suffer through a minute of it, I showed my wife. She hates you as well.
Worth noting that today is One Billion Rising a global day of protest & dancing against women's violence. It seems to be reaching into countries that have traditionally had huge problems with women's rights like India. There is a guardian live blog here if you want to follow it.
There's really no upper limit to what you can add to the list of offensive works, depending on your criteria. I would argue that unless a comedian is setting out specifically to avoid even a satirical/parodic form of sexism that can be misinterpreted (or simply used in too shallow a manner), it's relatively unusual to come across. Do you have to factor in the venue and how much access to a non-niche audience a piece has? This is not to say that "just" comedy means that it comes with no social responsibility. It's that I'm not sure where to start except with except that you tend to get a lot more slack if you have a better sense of comedic timing and delivery, as with a Lonely Planet video relative to the original one. So is the key variable more effective comedy rather than content? I mean, I doubt the Dear Sister skit would get made today, for instance, but it's still pretty funny and it's not like mass shootings were an alien thing at the time.
Lizard_King: That line is interesting in the context of this discussion. I'm okay with it because I feel I'm supposed to laugh at the jizz-in-pants character - I'm not meant to be nodding along with him when he accuses the girl of being at fault. Contrast "Women of LA" which I feel sincerely wants me to place some blame on the women depicted.
Yes, if you go from there and fit it into the broader "Nice Guy" internet theme, it's a more objectionable video. I see your point.
Someone linked me to this video. I'm surprised it doesn't have more views, being nearly a week old by now. I am not familiar with the Weekend Confirmed podcast, nor do I recognize any of the people in that video. In it, Jeff Cannata tells a story of how he got sexually assaulted during an airplane flight (it starts 2 minutes in). The experience he describes sounds frightening and I'm impressed at how earnestly he relates it to the others - at some points he seems distraught when recalling what happened, which of course isn't surprising as he's most likely still trying to make sense of it all inside his head. What fucking annoys me are the reactions from the other hosts, who just laugh at it (though they turn slightly more serious towards the end).
Nah. Obnoxious, unfunny, and while maybe not at the extreme end of the misogynist comedy lawl spectrum, it is certainly on the spectrum.
But he's laughing as well. People are still allowed to have different responses to their experiences - as a male, that was probably a first for him, and he's in a position where he can laugh about it. He even say "The thing I keep thinking was how hilarious this story was". A guy in an arcade in Madrid touched me when I was Interailing age 19. Nothing bad or traumatic has ever happened to me, so I was surprised, somewhat shocked and then it became an anecdote. I mean, I'm not saying what he did was in anyway ok, and I can totally understand if others react differently, but this guy reacts in his way and relates the story as a "funny thing happened"-story in the company of friends, and that's ok too.
Yeah my getting groped by an old dude on a BART train story is not really traumatic, just kind of WTF? And certainly I wouldn't be bothered by an amused reaction, if I tell the story that's probably what I'm going for in the first place - but I wasn't in any kind of danger, the guy was half my size, it was a public place, etc. I think it is probably important to remember that not all incidents that could theoretically be called sexual assault or battery are really necessarily very similar, and that different people are going to deal with or react to them in different ways, and that's OK.
Yeah, things...vary. I am still skeezed out thinking about a hug I got from someone at a convention once, and he asked before giving it; I was just too damn shy and undersocialized to realize I was allow to say no. But the time a teenage boy riding a bike slapped me on the ass on the way past? It was so bizarre I found it funny at the time (though my dad was about ready to go murder someone), and I'm still just amused by it. Those responses could be totally swapped by someone else who'd experienced both of them. Or someone else might find both of them amusing, or both of them horrible and upsetting. I think remembering that it goes both ways is useful. Someone who says that an instance of sexual assault didn't bug them much isn't necessarily lying or repressing; in the same way, someone who's very upset about a sexual assault is legitimately so, even if the person hearing about it is thinking "Oh, that wouldn't have bothered me at all."
You're right, he's laughing along with them, which is a good sign. Perhaps I was overreacting a bit to how they took to it. Having this happen while you're sleeping on an airplane just sounds like some sort of nightmare scenario for me.
What you are watching in that video is men who never considered they might be victims ..realizing even they might be in a situation where unwanted sexual activity happens to them. The process of handing it with humor, the standard blame game, then the realization why saying and doing that to anyone who has been assaulted is a bad idea. At the end we have men who are far more aware , at least at that moment and hopefully for a long wile, that the assault behavior has to stop. I think it is a good indication of how far that we have come that this process can even be witnessed outside of a circle of close friends. The things shared here are another great indication that we know we have to find ways to stop doing these things. The question is how many are ready and how long will it take. A side effect of this is , that perhaps at some point in our great grand children's future all old movies will need to be watched with companion guides that can explain the society around which these things were permitted. We already see some of this going from early movie/tv and now how much more foreign will it be then.
Yeah I think this is a pretty good synopsis of that video. The mood of the show before the story was clearly just some friends riffing on certain topics, and the natural progression into a new story is that friends are going to do what friends do when they're just giving each other some shit over the phrasing of their words or what they think they would do in an awkward situation being described to them. Eventually they do come around to empathizing with the severity of the situation and the guy telling the story certainly still looks like he's confused as to why it happened and if he did the right thing by not being more angry.
