[Blood Bowl] NWC 7 and Minors 7 Registration!

Sorry about the hiatus, a bunch of things contributed:

- I needed a break from running things! Been playing over in the OCC a bit -- nice to only have to schedule matches!
- I wanted to give the Chaos Edition some time to settle in to see if there are any bugs; there are apparently some related to compatibility between Legendary and Chaos. :-/
- I wanted to give Xcom some time to blow over, as I suspect the overlap is pretty strong with Blood Bowl.
- Crazy soccer schedule as well as some vacation.


Anyway, Blood Bowl!

Honestly I haven't thought about the details in a bit, and there'll probably be some league format discussion to be had when I'm back from vacation ~Sunday. I do recall some discussion about resetting the NWC for fresh teams. Personally, I think the NWC / Minors split handles this well enough, but if there's enough interest in resetting I'll put it to a vote. Or anything else you guys want to bring up!

I just wanted to let you guys know that the season is coming, and try to gauge the interest. Those of you left orphaned by the OWC are welcome to join us as well!

If you're interested post the team you're looking to play and it's TV!

I want in! My Killer Flickers have a TV of 140909990. Damn dark elves. If that seems too high, then I'll have to figure it out when I get home.

I'm considering playing in the minors again, as well.

That TV sounds about right.

I have teams ranging from 1000 to 1500 or so that I could play, so really whatever is fine. I lean towards my 1500ish High Elves just to get a stylistic break from the dwarves and Khemri I'm currently playing in 2 other leagues, but I have some orcs hanging around 1300 or so, some 1300ish wood elves with a truly obnoxious str 4 mv 9 wardancer (she's only AV 6 though so I'm sure those shenanigans wouldn't last), etc. etc. etc.

Or I could always retire my F13 league dwarves and roll them in here with a 2310 TV, because I hear you like dwarves.

Is this a switching to Chaos edition or remaining with Legendary? I've not picked up Chaos and won't unless they actually fix their stupid bugs and add the ability to save/recover for games that get disconnected.

Yeah, I don't plan on getting Chaos Edition at all. I should have mentioned that: I feel like I've given Cyanide more than enough of my money.

I would be in. Team TBC.

Legendary and Chaos can play together so there shouldnt be any problems.



Besides bugs that is, but hey we are blood bowl players, we are used to that.

Anyone have a list of what kind of additional bugs we're talking here. I'm pretty much at my limit as is for what I'll put up with regarding bugs that detract from the gameplay of a 2-hour game.

Also, in the interest of fairness I'm mostly asking if we're allowing the Chaos edition teams into the leagues since they aren't options everybody would have.

I haven't run into any of these problems yet but I guess I don't know for sure if any of my recent matches were inter-client.

Why is this a question of fairness? If you want to have the options, buy the DLC. If there's evidence that a team or teams constitute a pay-to-win-or-punish-other-players beyond the already ridiculous standards of this game, then that can be amended on a case by case basis.

Well, if it's Legendary only then there's no need to bother discussing this further. If Chaos is added then I think we'd need to examine the evidence, as you say, of whether there's any disadvantages to not having Chaos and playing against someone with Chaos (whether it be due to the new teams or due to bugs or whatnot). Since the original post I don't think was clear on this point, aside from noting Chaos vs. Legendary introduces bugs and a frowny face, I'm asking to clarify whether this even warrants further discussion.

My desire to get the options is tempered by my desire not to support what I see as a shitty cash-grab by Cyanide.

Just from a balance perspective, the only one of the 'new' teams that is particularly relevant to any conversation about power level is Chaos Dwarves, and as those are a fully official GW team for tabletop play I would prefer to have them in (but you know, I'm the new guy, so weight my opinion accordingly). Underworld and Khorne are tier 2ish.

It's ten bucks for the additional three teams if you already have LE (which I'm assuming you do). As DLC goes that's a pretty mild cash grab. The real fuck-you would have been if LE and CE were not compatible thus forcing everyone to upgrade if they wanted to keep playing in multiplayer leagues. Surprisingly Cyanide managed to avoid that despite the fact that everyone was totally expecting it so I'm giving them a pass for now on shitty moves.

Team Kitchen is up for moving to the NWC, but I am also open to making a new team if everyone goes for a big reset. I am also open to making a new team in the newbie league and playing Team Kitchen in the big boy league.

Just a warning though. If I make a new team, it's going to be a Dwarf team named after craft beers...

STOP WITH THE DWARVES DAMMIT

I'm leaning towards Legendary only, as I've heard rumor that there are chaos vs. legendary bugs. Might have run into one in the OCC, but it's hard to say since there are so many other bugs... I'll need to do a bit of research to figure out where things stand, which I just haven't had time to do yet.

As for fairness, the new teams are if anything worse than the existing teams, so I don't see that as a problem. The Chaos Dwarves are decent, yet to my eyes still not one of the best teams. The rest of the teams look clearly 2nd tier.

That theme is already taken by the Drunken Runts. ;-)

Since LSB is gone (assuming he hasn't changed his mind), I have to bring back the Persuaders. You can't have Blood Bowl without a little Chaos, after all.

LSB is a crybaby, he quits after a little skink lovin.

Oh yes, especially if anyone is going to play Dwarves!

All right, well give me a day and I will come up with another theme.

Also, if people are tired of dwarves, I am open to suggestions for other races to try. Lizardmen are fun, but it would be nice to get more variety...

I heard you like claws, so I brought you some.

Oh, don't take that the wrong way -- play what you want to play, and with whatever theme you like! It's not that I'm tired of Dwarves, I just hate them! I also hate Chaos, Lizards, Khemri, Undead, Wood Elves, Nurgle, and I'm sure some others I'm leaving out. ;-)

Besides, maybe you can get better beer names than those Runts. ;-)

I tried to make a team with a similar theme called Those Fat Belgian Bastards but apparently Bastards is a naughty word.

Nothing a little judicious spelling won't solve.

Also I am floating this league to some other people if that's alright.

Man, I'd have to come up with a theme. :(

In the event that we decide to go with fresh TV 1000 teams (or maybe even if not, inducements are fun) I have a fresh TV 1000 Nurgle team called The Leper Colony ready to go. I'm sure you can guess the theme.

EDIT: Jasper, can you clarify if the old rules from that QT3 thread are still valid? Fielding questions about where teams can come from, TV limits, etc.

Generally it's anything up to 1400 coming from our Open League (and thus also potentially from Naggaroth), pending Admin review to weed out farmed teams.

The rules are flexible though so "somewhat" over that is allowed on a per case basis, especially for players transfering in from other competitive leagues. I'd have to look at it first before commiting, but I'd guess that the TV ~1500 High Elf team you mention is fine, especially as there are TV 2000 or even 2200 teams eligable already.

I'm kind of torn. On one hand BB is pretty neat, on the other of the 12 games I played last season 8 or 9 were decided by pure dumb luck. The illusion of strategy is kind of destroyed by rampant pitch invasions, sweltering heat, and one side losing half their team to injuries in the first five turns. The only games that felt like they were worth playing were the ties.

Hate to break it to you LSB, but having watched a fair few of those matches in preparation for the playoffs I disagree that so many were decided by luck. ;-)

Your chaos team could use some more Tackle, and you're a bit... cavalier marking in with them and offering free blocks. Not that there weren't some good injury streaks and rampant sweltering heat though!

I would respectfully disagree, and point out that I am including most of the games I won last season as being lame too. Like the one where my opponent was the one that lost 7 players in the first 5 turns.

As for needing more Tackle (which I would say never contributed to my feeling of dumb luck, I just loathe elves because they have 4 AG without dodge!), that would require players actually living long enough to get two levelups, because block always comes first!

I'd be interested in bringing my Khemri team back again for another season. Cant say I remember what the TV is at the moment. Id also enter something in the minors... probably not my orcs, as a team they never really got off the ground.

I'm in for the minors with a new team, dunno which one yet though.

I don't know, as I remember your Black Orcs spent a lot of time ON the ground. Heyo!!!

Wait, that's not funny, that's actually pretty much what you said. Man I'm tired today.

I should be able to squeeze in a BB match every week around school, so the Hammer and Giggle will make their move to the majors this season.

What's the word on this league? Still gonna happen? Please say it is!

Unfortunately Jasper passed away.

Sorry, I've been stalling. Out of town for Thanksgiving, and I've got knee surgery scheduled for Dec 3rd so things have been hectic. That and I've been sucked into MWO.

I'll be back home late tonight and try to get the league rolling again.