My wife who is good at this stuff called this though. Dex killing Hannah's dad leaves Hannah feeling that killing Deb to "protect" Dexter is the same sort of transaction. Hannah killing Deb would be one hell of a finale with the LaGuerta thing being the carry over to the final season with Dexter's final confrontation with the law???
Was it ever actually established whether or not Dexter was Harry's son? Or was that another ball that the writers dropped? I find it hard to get on board with another "breaking of the code being a big deal" plot when it's happened before and shit all came of it. And there's no way they're going to kill Deb off. Hannah's the one that's going to go.
So Dexter pushed the ejector seat button on his Dark Passenger... it's looking like next season will definitely be Dexter Unchained.
Dexter is one step closer to becoming a real monster. It would be interesting to see where they take that for a final season, and if people will stick with it while he utterly nosedives morally. My call last week was that Hannah would either kill LaGuerta, or voluntarily take the fall for Dexter. The preview for next week blows that theory away and I'm a bit sad that they seem to be going the predictable "no one can trust each other!" angle. Boy, Hannah's dad was both stupid AND malicious. He finds out he's going to get paid off, so rather than keep the blackmail on the table for a future round of money grubbing, he decides to fuck over his daughter anyway? Evil moron.
Yeah, Dexter jettisoning his dark passenger as his reason for killing does open the way for him becoming really scary, but on the other hand he also spared the arson guy and might have real feelings for Hannah, which brings Issac's last words to mind "There's hope for you yet." Anyone else get a chuckle out of the possession quips making fun of the books? Also, while Hannah's dad was a nasty idiot (if he wasn't an idiot he wouldn't have been in prison trying to steal money to pay huge gambling debts), I rather liked how naturally horrifyingly awkward and uncomfortable all the scenes of him yelling at Hannah were. Him berating her while her face crumpled up reminded me of some terrible public scenes I've seen in real life.
Ummm, does the "on Dexter next week..." bit really establish that Hannah poisoned Deb? It makes sense that Dexter would think that, and the killing of Hannah's dad certainly does a bit of foreshadowing in that direction, but I'm thinking they might be trying to twist that another way. I mean, the Xanax bottle could (somehow) be the culprit, and then they could go "OMG Dexter falsely accuses (and murders??) the one person who accepted him completely!".
Jim Beaver's pretty goddamn good at this acting thing. Confusingly enough, he'll always be Bobby to me (I do wish that the show had picked literally any other name), and that's a whole lot of baggage to get over, but they did it. I legitimately do not like him in this show. He's still Bobby, and they never managed to fix that on Justified, but this show sure as hell did. Also, fuck you, Dexter - you call at least one adult Bobby. You call Bobby Bobby. Idgit. I particularly like how well the show is leveraging my preexisting affection for Strahovski from Chuck and Mass Effect and putting it to use. I also like the fact that Quinn (my least favorite individual in all of television) of all people is the one person who actually pulled through and just shot the bad guy in his face despite whatever consequences he was counting on to keep him safe. As for what the remaining two episodes hold....I doubt that Deborah is marked for death. LaGuerta is a far more likely target and has been so thoroughly removed from the series at this point that losing her wouldn't really hurt anything. Now, the Dexter standard would be for Hannah to end up next, since they apparently have some sort of vendetta against guest stars staying for more than one season, but we'll have to see how that goes. At this point, I think it's pretty clear that somebody has to kill LaGuerta and possibly Matthews, and Dexter is freeing himself up to be able to act outside of the code, and Hannah doing it would mirror H.G. Wells, so that probably has some charm, but what I would most like to see here is for Dexter and Hannah both to make it out of the season intact. Maybe LaGuerta carries over to the next season and gets resolved, because that would be a reasonably satisfying way to end things and in the case of a forcible renewal by Showtime they could still go back and do the Harrison story that I want to see for the ninth season.
Actually, Brian, the less we see of Harrison the better. Toddlers don't make for particularly exciting television.
That would be why the Harrison story I'd like to see would involve a time jump of a few years. Right now he's not a big asset to the show, but there's a story to be told involving a ten year old kid.
He will always be Plant Manager from Turner & Hooch to me. Wesley kidnaps Harrison and takes him to another dimension where he is raised to hate Dexter and want to destroy him.
This season is becoming sadly predictable with the Hannah stuff. I was hoping they'd at least have some ambiguity about whether or not she actually poisoned Deborah, but no, not at all. What's more, she did it in a fairly haphazard manner, then pointed out how haphazard it was (Something along the lines of if I was trying to poison her, she'd be dead). Now that I think about it, I guess there's an outside chance that Deb faked the whole thing in an attempt to turn Dexter against Hannah. That'd be something, at least! Deb wants to take Hannah down, doesn't have a case (as Hannah pointed out, a second year law student could discredit the witness woman).
Yvonne Strahovski is finally convincing me she can act more roles than Sarah from Chuck. And I don't give a damn what any such idgits might think, but seeing Jim Beaver in anything is awesome.
If this was Breaking Bad, I'd put good money on Debra faking the poisoning... however, Dexter is known to get pretty damned retarded at the drop of a hat, so I'm just cautiously leaning towards Debra faking the poisoning.
Deb definitely faked it. Which made me feel terrible for a bit till I remembered..... Duh... Killers Also loved Laguerta's play. That clean room is a dead giveaway
Deb faking it does make some curious sense. She wants to take down Hannah, and barring that she wants to keep Hannah away from Dexter. Finding Hannah's hair in Deb's bathroom was a little too pat as well.
If Deb faked it, and I'm really hoping she did, what we have for the final season is a Dexter who: -has been betrayed by his closest friend -betrayed the woman he loves because of the previous betrayal -no longer believes in a future for himself -likely has killed someone totally outside his code (LaGuerta) So all bets will be off next year.
Also, there's an interesting comparison to be made between Dexter and LaGuerta: LaGuerta's crusade to find the Butcher is because she will never accept that someone she loved could do those things, no matter the evidence, while Dexter turned on Hannah overnight.
Any significance to the fact that Dexter was calling Deb "Deborah" in his internal monologues most of this episode? I'm going to be pissed if Hannah was the one to poison Deb. I'm fucking sick of Deb. I was rooting for her the first couple of seasons cause she was always in Dexter's shadow and had terrible things happen to her because of him but fuck if she isn't just a whiner now. The writers have totally ruined her for me. I like Hannah the killer more than I like Deb the detective. P.S. If Deb wants to protect Dexter so much why the fuck arrest someone that could use "I know who the Bay Harbor Butcher is" for more immunity? Not like Hannah hasn't turned on her boyfriend before!
It was also incredibly fucking stupid for Dexter to turn Hannah in considering she has that knowledge. There was also the small matter of Dexter attempting to kill her. All in all the end of the last episode really disappointed me.
Again: retarded at the drop of a hat. Also, I might need to rewatch S2, because I certainly don't remember Dokes and LaGuerta being that much into eachother. (I mean, she was pretty heavily into Dexter in S1, ffs...) Also also, as Matthews pointed out, she was always more of a savvy administrator kinda character and not natural poh-lice, but now she's doing some actual detective work for made-up reasons? Ehhh.
Yeah, I was thinking that now there's 4 people on the loose in Miami who knows Dexter's secret. Two are outside The Code (LaGuerta - who don't know know - and Deb), one of the others are in prison and one is probably hiding. Since he can only rely on one of them to keep silent (whereas the three others each have their reasons to want him caught/killed), Dexter has work to do... or the finale Deus Ex Machina needs to work its magic again...
Are the four you are referring to Deb, LaGuerta, Hannah, and Hector Estrada? That's my count of living people that know. Sirko is dead, and Lumen is definitely not in Miami.
Alright, so what's the surprise going to be? Dexter going to jail isn't shocking. (That looked like a dream sequence to me.) Hell, he's ditched the code so him killing LaGuerta isn't shocking either. (Plus, I think they may want to keep her as his foil.) I'm still stuck on the idea that Deb dying has to be the shocking ending. Hannah made a good point to Dexter that if something were to happen to Deb that he would immediately think of her as the culprit. With Hannah in jail, she now has an alibi. I noticed that in this latest episode that they made a point of clearly showing the white flower (again) that Dexter picked out at Hannah's shop. (Harry even mentions to Dexter that he should throw it out earlier in the season.) What if it's poisonous? What if Deb accidentally poisons herself with it somehow? Something is going to happen with that flower. They keep hiding it in plain sight.
If I remember correctly Doakes and LaGuerta were in a relationship when they were partners, before the series started. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "made up" reasons, but she's the only who ever believed Doakes was innocent and the only one with any interest in doing some actual detective work to clear his name.
Orchids aren't poisonous, and many of them are edible. I think they like showing it because of the blood spatter coloring.
I would still consider Dexter consciously and intentionally murdering an innocent person to be a little shocking. He abandoned the code so he could kill Hannah's dad, but Hannah's dad was a far stretch from an innocent. LaGuerta is a cop, a role we know Dexter has at least a modicum of respect for thanks to his dad, his sister and his own job, and unlike Hannah's dad she never nearly let Hannah drown to teach her to swim. I know I'm just asking for Brian Seiller to remind us of what the books are, but I'd find it a little surprising if Dexter went ahead and killed LaGuerta.
Is that what it is? Sorry, I have no idea about flowers. I just found it strange they keep showing it like it's going to mean something.
From a behavior standpoint, I would agree with you. It just wouldn't be a surprise. There's a surprise coming, I just can't put my finger on what it's going to be.
Part of the problem with Dexter killing LaGuerta is that it really removes any reason to be sympathetic to the guy. Thus far all of Dexter's kills have been bad people; either killers are total trash like Hannah's dad (and they went way, way over the top in portraying him as basically awful; it was one of the less believable moments in the show and that's saying something).
Dexter did once kill a guy who turned out to be innocent of the murder Dexter assumed he'd committed. And he also beat a man to death in a bathroom for being rude. I don't really qualify either of those as 'consciously and intentionally', though. The first is a (terrible, unthinkable) mistake while the second was Dexter in a crazy post-Ryta-death rage. They're both, however, things I kind of think the writers of the show wish we would forget.
I'm sure they would; but - as you point out - given the circumstances they're not the kind of thing that's going to cost Dexter the audience's sympathy, which I think is crucial in terms of maintaining him as a viable protagonist. Killing LaGuerta crosses a line that I think would probably ruin the show.
Personally I would be sympathetic toward anyone that killed LaGuerta for as much as I can't stand her
