Gay mariage, or "how to make Sugar realize her compatriots are biggoted assh*les"

A few of you probably already know about the current controversy over same-sex marriage in my country. Well, this is what one of our right wing party thought was appropriate and tasteful enough to publish earlier this month :



"You won't be a faggot my son."

Welp.

...what.

"Popular youth"? Is that...representative? >.<

Well, that's the name of their party, the're affilied (is that a word ? How do I english ?) with the UMP. But seeing how many people were in the street to protest against equality of rights, I think that's quite representative, yeah.

Well. That's ... horrific.

It's just been aweful lately. On twitter, I can't even count how many times the "I'm not homophobic but..." message pop up. =__=
http://jenesuispashomophobemais.tumblr.com/

Oh my. That's terrible.
A lot of people in my area, including some of my immediate family, seem to have...issues with the topic of gay marriage. Whenever I argue about it they start talking about how gay marriage goes against their religious beliefs and that 'marriage' is a religious binding. Someone once told me that people came up with civil unions so that 'gay people can have the same rights without interfering with the sanctity of marriage.'
There's something very wrong about that and at the time I really didn't know how to put it into words. At what point do we stop protecting religious rights and ideas? Nowadays, I've decided it's fine to have your ideas unless they are infringing on the rights of others.

I'm admittedly ignorant on what is happening in France, but I'm horrified to see that someone thought that was appropriate in any way, shape, or form.

Also, I think the word you were looking for is affiliated!

I still can not understand why there is such a large hooplah over gay marriage. I do not understand. I don't.
TWO PEOPLE WANNA GET MARRIED. OKAY. Why does the contents of their pants dictate who they can legally bind themselves to?

Can't you use modly powers to move it? :)

More to the topic, my personal experiences with GLBTQ issues, especially marriage, has made me an enemy of many of my in-laws on my father-in-law's side of hubby's family.

The long and short of it is that my older brother-in-law (We'll call him K) is gay and various family members have treated him with varying levels of shit, up to and including his father kicking him out of the house for "acting too gay" in front of his half-brother (D, who was 7 or 8 at the time, maybe a smidge younger). He was allowed to be gay, apparently, but not to "behave like a gay." Whatever the fuck that means. K said "fuck you I'll act like myself D doesn't give a shit" and he got kicked out. Whee.

The most recent incident was Thanksgiving, when K was talking about maybe getting a puppy or something. He had commented a few days before that he was too busy for a boyfriend, so I said "If you're too busy for a boyfriend who can clean up his own poop, how are you going to have time for a puppy?" Apparently this was Not Okay to say in front of certain older family members, who are apparently denying that he's gay or pretending they don't know or otherwise getting their panties in a wad about it. Hubby chastised me about it and I told him I wouldn't make him choose sides but that he can't force me to suppress myself around his family and if they make a big deal out of it I will gladly opt out of functions with that side of his family so that he doesn't have to handle any fallout. I'm not going to go out of my way to pretend that K, whom I love dearly and am very close to, is something that he's not. To do that would be indefensible IMO, and though I won't deliberately instigate that family or call them out on bullshit, I also won't stop being a decent person towards K just because it ruffles the panties of a few people who are probably going to pass away within the next five to ten years.

I find it hilarious in a "HAHAHAHAHA I WANT TO PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE" kind of way that some people use the "animals don't display homosexuality" argument against gay marriage because they are so fucking wrong.

Did they know that some species of eel and frogs actually change gender if there's too many females/males within their population? GASP, OH MY GOD, WHAT IS THAT, THAT'S UNNATURAL no it's not it happens in fucking nature.

In fact, some species actually use it as titillation when it comes to mating.

So, holy frick, there are several hundred species that demonstrate homosexual behaviour.

Want to know what species portray homophobia? So far, humans. Maybe chimpanzees. That's... Kind of fucking telling.

Why are we making such a big deal about someone else's life choices? If their acts are not directly affecting you, are not immediately having an impact ON YOUR LIFE, why is there a problem? If someone happens to like their own gender and isn't, in fact, trying to make you change your orientation, why is anyone getting upset over this?

IT IS NOT YOUR LIFE. STOP IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT, BUT CHRIST, DON'T START TREATING OTHERS AS LESS THAN HUMAN BECAUSE OF IT. That is just disgusting behaviour and any kind of hatred of that nature should be eradicated from society. You don't like it? Fine. You're acting on your hatred? Please have the kindness of DYING IN A FIRE.

I am just. So angry right now. Just. Augh. I'll come back when I've calmed down a bit.

And barnacles! Well, they're hermaphroditic, but still.

And most insects! But they're hideous beasts so no one ever uses them in their arguments.

Still, did people know that Spotted Hyenas have a gender inverted hierarchy? The women are bigger and stronger and have a pseudo-penis making it impossible to rape them, and even the lowest ranking female outranks the highest ranking male. And then, there is this type of bird where the males are willing to mate with each other because A) It attracts the females and B) If there are no females around, they can still have their fun. Oh, and did you know it's male seahorses that give birth to their young, not the female? And there's a species of fish where both the males and females give off this... Liquid that's the equivalent of milk to feed their young.

"HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THIS?" NATURE, THAT'S FUCKING WHAT. THIS IS PERFECTLY NATURAL WITHIN THEIR SPECIES, SO STOP COMING AROUND USING OTHER SPECIES AS A FUCKING REASON TO HATE ON SUPPOSEDLY "HEDONISTIC" BEHAVIOUR FROM PEOPLE WHO VEER AWAY FROM "THE NORM". NATURE HAS A ZILLION COUNTERARGUMENTS TO YOUR CLAIMS. NOW SHUT UP.

... Right, I'll um. Take a few deep breaths now. Yes.

I just find this to be such a shallow, insulting, and ignorant method to argue against anyone who is not heteronormative. Yes, it might be the majority of people (unless, of course, the numbers are actually significantly smaller than people initially think for a variety of reason), but that doesn't mean it's the "right" way of being.

A lot of the issues people have against these things in the first place is mostly cultural and societal because that's how we're fucking raised to view things. Nature doesn't give a damn one way or another, it does what it wants. We, however, keep trying to impose our rules and laws upon perfectly natural instincts and some of them end up being counter-productive and harmful on the long run.

Ah, thanks Rot. So yeah, those past monthes have been extremely tiresome and nerve wrecking... Especially for those who do have a familly already, like that lesbian couple I befriended who are expecting a baby (he'll be born in one month ! :D). Well, they have to face those intolerant pricks shouting on tv that they're not a real family. It's aweful.

As for myself, my best friend has a three year old daughter who calls me "auntie" (she's precious)... Last time we went to the park, people assumed that we were a couple. It was quite funny until some dude started bothering us. It took one of the other mothers screaming at him to make him leave. :/

Thanks for making the American discourse look reasoned and civil, I guess...

I didn't even know that could be done.

BECAUSE WE'LL ALL GET INFECTED WITH THE GHEY!!!!

Or some other bigoted thinking, or maybe, just maybe the closeted right wing types won't hate themselves anymore and come screaming out of the closet. And we can't have that now can we?
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

I don't know, it defies rational thought, but then again consider the source.

I find the whole "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" argument just as insipid and disgusting as the "It's unnatural!" argument. Children don't give a damn. To them, it doesn't make a difference, because most kids think love is gross anyway until they start having crushes on people. Because cooties. If a kid grows up thinking "GAY FOLK ARE GOING TO HELL", that's because their parents raised them with that mentality.

And another thing about sexuality: It's not set in stone. Not everyone is "just straight" or "just gay/lesbian" or whatever. Most people are generally in the grey area of sexuality, but because we're all raised to think "YOU LIKE ONE GENDER AND THAT'S IT", that makes any inclination or interest in a member of the same sex an instant brand for swinging for the other party, which isn't true and shouldn't fucking matter in the first place. Like who you like, and if they happen to be the same gender as you despite the fact you generally go for the opposite gender, that doesn't suddenly mean you're solely interested in the same gender, nor does it necessarily make you bisexual.

But trying to discuss the complexities of human sexuality is far from easy. As an example, I tried explaining to some classmates the other day that the gender of people I'm attracted to is entirely irrelevant to me. Cue stares like I was from another planet.

So in other words: I agree, this problem defies rational thought. Because generally, it's irrational fears and a mentality someone was raised with that makes them so against the idea in the first place. That's pretty damn difficult to argue against, regardless of methods used.

Jd ocejo cihe oc ww ncow.

THEY AREN'T CALLED GAYNACLES FOR A REASON!

My reading is: "We keep losing so many people when we raid the neighboring tribes that you need to make more babies for the next raid".

Much like "Seriously, guys, don't eat shellfish, because if you're not careful you're gonna shit out your lungs".

"Don't buttsex the women, we need them to get pregnant." seems like a pretty reasonable interpretation.

So the only reason God condemned homosexuality was because men can't knock up men?

That's quite surprising, Sugar-Junkie, considering France's in-your-face secularism. I suppose UMP is still dedicated to the concept of secularism, or is that only a thing that matters when the religion in question is Islam?

Let us just say that most of our politicians are old men (that also explains why women's right still aren't considered that important). Therefore, as much as we try to separate religion and politics, a lot of them had a christian upbringing and that reflect a lot on their opininons. And anyway you can be an asshole without being a religious asshole : you can be intolerant and homophobic without having any kind of religious reasonning behind your attitude. A lot of my dear compatriots hate homosexuality because it's "gross" and because "men shouldn't be effeminate faggots" and "women shouldn't be brawny dykes".

Moreover, most of the anti-gay marriage manifestants insist that they're not homophobic, they don't hate gay people, really. They just want to protect the sanctity of marriage against the gay cooties ! Because homosexuality is an abomination ! And think of the children ! I mean if gay people could adopt, that means their kids would be miserable, because homophobic pricks everyone would make fun of them... Yeah.

Here's a short video about the anti-gay marriage protest (and a few pro-gay marriage ones that came to protest against their protest :P)

I can whip a short translation if you want me too, but I think you'll get the gist of it.

Wow I feel like going on a punching spree today. Brilliant.

And as tempting as it would be to bring up the "single parents" argument, I know that won't work. What with a lot of these fools saying that's just as bad since a child can't be well raised in a broken family. A broken family. You can't win with these people.

As for the Bible quote, I always figured it was denouncing sodomy rather than homosexuality. "Feel free to kiss other men or whatever, just don't fuck them up the ass, that's nasty and emasculating."

NBA star Kenneth Faried: "Nobody can ever tell me I can't have two mothers, because I really do."

Sodomy in the biblical sense is a whole lot more than just assfucking. Basically any sex that isn't putting a penis in a vagina is sodomy ,eg, oral sex, not just the stuff involving another member of the same sex . So theres a whole realm of fun you should feel bad about!

Oh lord Leviticus. Always with the Leviticus. Leviticus should be the name of the evilest Transformer.
Leviticus is, basically, a "fuck you" to "Molech" and other early religions. The rules Capital "g" God puts forth are a big, fancy, Bibley, godly way of saying "Hey, cut it out with the fake god worshiping!!"
20:4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:
20:5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.
20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
20:7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
Molech ceremonies required lots of sex? Well, God sees that and disapproves of 99% of possible coupling. Daughter in laws? Nope. Animals? Nope. Mothers? Nope. Man on man? Nope. In the context of screaming at other gods to get off his lawn God disapproves. Period blood? Burn her. Sister in law? Burn or banish. Aunt? No children for you!
20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
20:24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.
It doesn't actually say "gays are bad" it, in context, says "fucking a bunch of people to worship other gods is wrong" (as is shaving your head or beard or eating pork and the entire last half of Leviticus is how to properly blood sacrifice an animal to God)

that video makes me so happy.

so I searched Moloch on Google and found the most amazing website. I have no idea if it's a parody or..... what. http://www.whale.to/b/moloch_s.htm

Why it came up in my Google search:

Indicative of general authoritative scholarship of the site:

Emph. mine

I suspect it's mostly about the UMP chasing after right wing loonie votes. Perhaps the weird "We need babies!" dimension has some connection to the demographic angst that used to inform French nationalist natalism but I sort of thought of that as more of an historical thing.

Weirdly I have the almost opposite problem at work (well, let's see if it ends up being a real problem). On my 16-man team, we have 2 lesbians. One is married, because we were one of the first countries to legalise that (this summer we had a shortlived and not very heated debate, because our State Church began offering gay marriage in some churches... Some because some of the more hick parts of the country still have a problem with this, and it was decided to only be priests who wanted to, that should).

I recently helped hire a new journalism intern, who'll be with us for a year. In his application he told he was very active in the Methodist church, I presume to show leadership and engagement because normally most people aren't that religious and religion is considered a private matter. I don't think any of the other 16 are religious. A majority of atheists and perhaps a few cultural christians. Now the married Lesbian is pre-angry at our intern, because the Methodist church isn't cool with homosexuality (although according to their website, they seem very polite about it).

So, since I'm in charge of ensuring the intern has a nice stay and learn something, I find myself in the weird position of having to defend the guy's right to believe what he wants and telling the others to give him a chance and the benefit of the doubt.
And I'm like the least considerate atheist I know...

Maybe they'll both learn something. Or you can let them fight it out.

Gay animals: dig up Ricky Gervais' "Science" on YouTube and enjoy learning about what some male dolphins do to each other's blowholes.

Went to the protest today, a four hours walk. My feet are killing me, but it was great, seeing how many people were in the street to defend gay rights. \o/

Hey Randissimo

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271192/Dog-sentenced-death-Tennessee-gay.html

At least the owner was consistent in his homophobia?

brb sobbing forever