Discussion in 'Debate and Discussion' started by bloo, Jan 23, 2013.
Man, if only it could be Elizabeth Warren. If only!
Why is there not a Like++ button, anyway?
I'd change mine to:
Rick Santorum (possible nominee, if GOP stays crazy)
Rand Paul (dark horse, if the Paulistas take over the GOP after a disastrous mid-term)
Marco Rubio (too soon for him to win but he'll run anyway)
Newt Gingrich (I'm changing my vote here, there's no way he CAN'T run, too much ego)
Chris Christie (will blow up very amusingly in the primaries and possibly try to choke Santorum to death)
Bobby Jindal (may win by default as Boring Sane Candidate even though ironically he isn't that sane)
Dem side will be wide open - Biden won't have the advantage of incumbency in the primaries because of his baggage and his mouth so the Obama people will probably scatter to the winds. Hillary Clinton won't run, she's done with public life save perhaps another Senate run. Elizabeth Warren won't run, she doesn't have enough national support and, this forum's heart palpations to the contrary, is too liberal to win in the primaries.
If he tried to choke out Santorum, I would take back every single bad thing I have said about Christie.
I'd settle for some sly reference to santorum, the noun. It would be great to see some sane conservatives find the chutzpah to simply chase his ass out of town. That man is a stain on national politics.
It's not hard. "This is the same old santorum."
I don't think Biden will run, but if the rest of your list is right I sure hope he does. I don't know much about O'Malley but the thought of Cuomo or Warner being the nominee makes me want to choke myself on santorum.
Hehehe. Believe me, I understand the Warren-love. She was either (memory fades) a guest Evidence prof for a couple of weeks, or my Professional Responsibility (Ethics test) professor in law school, and she's wicked great. But she hasn't got a chance, nor has she the 'fire-in-the-belly' for it, IMO.
Unfortunately, it will be about a year - year and a half before we start hearing who's doing the early ground work and quiet fundraising to run. That quiet fundraising is the thing to watch early, if only there was more info available about it.
She has the all-important Stewart love though.
I think if the media spends the next few years giving her the attention she deserves she might have her clout elevated enough.
One can hope. She's one of only a few politicians with national name recognition that I actually admire.
I think a more-realistic scenario: Warren as a VP pick.
I would settle for that, considering how unlikely her becoming president seems.
Though it wasn't so many years ago I felt sure a black man would never be US president in my lifetime.
Though in that scenario Warren would likely be picked to shore up the left wing credentials of the combined ticket, so you'd be looking at a very centre-right Dem president. I mean like a Lieberman scenario.
I feel like the Dem field is pretty wide open. Of the two media 'front runners', Biden is probably just a bit too old to win (he'd be 82 by the time he left office assuming two terms), and while Clinton is ambitious I question whether she has got the enthusiasm and reserves left for another Presidential run after the last one was so long and bruising.
I just never thought I'd see a Muslim become President.
Is Kathleen Sibelius not in the mix at all? She was pretty popular in Kansas, a state with a 50% Republican, 27% Democrat split. Hell, she was popular enough that when she ran her second time the head of the Kansas Republican Party quit, changed sides and joined her as LtGov.
I haven't heard her name mentioned in a couple of years. HHS Secretary is more of a reward than a ladder rung.
More seriously, I'd rate the odds of a non-Christian being elected President as much lower than the odds of a (different) black man or a woman. Maybe even worse than the odds of a black woman.
Speaking of which, what's Condi Rice up to these days? I figure someday she'll give me the bizarro-world choice of voting against a black woman.
That's what everyone was saying at the beginning of the 2008 primary. ;)
But in 2004, people were talking about how great Obama would be, and how he's a rising star. He was very much on the radar in general and some were talking about him as potential nominee (though maybe later than what occurred).
True, but Hillary had practically been coronated. She was a shoo-in. The Clinton "machine" was still incredibly powerful at the time, and no one really considered Obama much of a threat before Iowa. All of the discussion was about who was going to be the Republican nominee who would take her on.
The point being that predictions years ahead of time have proven to be pretty poor. Heck, they aren't even very good close to the primaries. No one expected Romney to be the GOP nominee until the primary was almost over! ;)
I was really just trying to see if you had someone in mind.
Jethro heh it's interesting about how perspectives on 2008 differ. Seattle/Washington was very much Obama country, and Hillary definitely did not seem like a sure thing during summer 2k7. I went to an Obama rally that July, and it was a) a ridiculous crowd and b) fucking electrifying. I wonder if there wasn't a major bifurcation going on at that point, between the grassroots and the national punditry.
Did Obama trail at any point on delegates? The early primary / caucus sequence was, iirc: Iowa to Obama, NH to Clinton, SC and Nevada to Obama. Am I wrong about that?
Came across this photo on the White House's flickr and adjusted it.
Reported to the government for photoshopping official whitehouse photos!
Can we elect two people president simultaneously?
We could always reform to have co-presidents. One for domestic affairs, one for foreign and military affairs.
Hmmm, where have I heard of that before...
Oh, I know! Let's call them Consuls.
Well, certainly most of the media were talking about the "inevitability" of Clinton's nomination in 2007. As late as November 2007, when things started to get more interesting, she was still touted as the candidate to beat (CNN article as one example, http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/05/poll.presidential.08/index.html?iref=allsearch
In September 2007, polls had her up 46-23 over Obama. BTW - it's fun going through archives of articles back in 2007 and 2008 during the campaigns. Things like Obama slamming Hillary's health care plan where everyone would have to buy insurance, things I'd forgotten about like this:
haha Guiliani and Thompson.
Fred fucking Thompson, lulz.
Didn't you already do that with Bush Jr. and Cheney?
A man and his puppet don't count as two people.
Separate names with a comma.