Discussion in 'The League Of Extraordinary Game Players' started by soundlyParanoid, Nov 6, 2012.
Definitely my logic is WAY more suspicious.
If we can't find anyone else then I'll vote for Speak With Bread, though reluctantly. I'm being a bit quiet because this is my first time playing this sort of forums mafia game, so I'm not really sure what to do or say...
It's hard to do much besides grasping for reasons, the way things stand at present. But I haven't voted yet because I'm not sure. I'm still not sure, but at least we're talking a bit more freely now.
It does seem kind of weird that
Nate has accused both of us and
Matthew Schempp while dismissing everyone else, even if it is jokingly. I feel like he knows something that we don't. Also, I can't really tell when he's being serious and when he's jesting.
I'm not really sure, either. I wouldn't worry too much about it, it's a game that seems to rely on people to be more... proactive I guess? Another thing, I'm not sure whether we're supposed to be roleplaying or not (as in, responding to the thread as a 'character').
I'd be willing to replace
SWB, if she doesn't mind. Hope everything goes well for you, Speak. *hugs*
I am suspicious of Nate because he knows too much.
Sympathetic deadlinevote:Speaks with Bread Unless a suitable replacement is found.
Looks like I was too slow...
soundlyParanoid, is it ok if we get
Anabanana to replace SWB? If not I will also vote to 'sympathy lynch' her.
Anabanana is awesome for offering to take over. Thank you!
Anabanana, you are fantastic, thank you.
That's kind of up to the player, especially with so many people playing for the first time. I mean, some of us are playing characters regardless; it's just how much you want to talk about pies and Bloben and adventurers and witches and old people. Or type in dialect, but I tend to not go in for that kind of thing. I know, I'm a fuddy-duddy.
Speaking of which, how
Nate the "great" can accuse a humble weapons dealer like myself of being a witch is just telling. What exactly is Nate great at? Seems to be brewing trouble, and that's one brew we don't need around here, not with our adventurers gone to more epic pastures.
You'll notice that I didn't cast my vote yet. I was waiting to see who would be first to accuse me after I lead the prosecution against the pie-eating fauxgirlfriend. Nate fell for my trap beautifully. He wants revenge, and he wants to eliminate his enemies so he can go out and become "great." He obviously is the young witch.
I agree with getting a replacement player for Speaks. Sorry to see you go hun! Hope you're feeling better.
Oh god, if hope she wasn't a witch if we replace her. xD
Yeah there just hasn't been much to work with as of yet as far as who to lynch! I don't have any better idea than I did yesterday.
Well, he was right when he said robots are awesome.
Going to confirm Anabanana is replacing Speak With Bread.
If anyone else watching wouldn't mind cuing up to replace in if the game needs it please let me know.
At this point, we don't have enough information to make an informed decision, but I don't know if I want to vote Nate this turn. I mean, random joke votes are pretty much all we can do right now, so his behaviour makes sense, AND he voted for Sedrine the first turn, which... well, a witch would want to lie low, I assume, not draw attention to themselves by being the only person to random lynch on the first day.
As for me, I'm going to Vote: Matthew Schempp, mainly because he led the lynch mob against fauxgirlfriend, and if she's not a witch like I'm assuming (remember how she hadn't even been on her account, so she wouldn't have been lying low because of her witchiness?), it would make sense for a witch to try and lynch an innocent for a completely justifiable reason to appear helpful and productive and to steer the random lynching away from the real witches. Again, TOTALLY baseless accusations and I'm probably totally wrong, but hey. It's random lynch day. Having a chance to get a witch is better than zero chance at all, right?
Welcome to Blobentownvillebergopia,
You make a pretty convincing argument, there. I think before I vote I'd like to at least hear what
Matthew Schempp have to say in reply to the vote(s) against them.
Actually it would be nice if we could also hear an opinion from
I've been thinking the same thing, but at the same time if he wanted to he could camouflage himself in plain sight be being outrageous. Because "of course he's not a witch, he is talking so much and making crazy suggestions for lynching."
I'm not convinced of this though, it is just a line of logic I wanted to point out.
True, but given that we don't really have much info atm, we can't really judge either way, can we? I'm just rolling with my initial impressions for now; we'll see what happens during future rounds.
Because I have a plan, that means I'm a witch? Sigh, you underestimate the townsfolk,
Anabanana. I know you're new here, so I won't let this color my perception of you.
All right, so, to justify my position as not a witch, I'm going to plan some more. Can't have too much of a bad thing, I guess. Maybe it'll show you a thing or two about how things are done around here.
We all have roles, right? Little jobs we do, that we like to keep secret from the others. I know, for example, that one of us is the clowning sort. Throwing pies and such things. Now, I hate to waste a good pie, so I know why you want to hide. But it may be time, on this second day, to come forward. You see, the oracle needs you. Now, I'm not saying I am the oracle -- I'm not -- but we need information. The oracle can at least tell us something about the coven. Maybe nothing specific (I'm sure she speaks in riddles), but something.
You see, I stand by my charge that fauxgirlfriend was a witch. And I'm not changing my vote. I also am certain Nate is a witch. If the oracle can tell us about their coven, and there isn't just one witch left by morning? Well, I'll walk into that noose myself, and not think twice about it. I expect I'd have to, for spilling innocent blood like that.
I want to maintain that I only want the clown to come forward today. The oracle should stay hidden (whether the oracle reveals herself tomorrow is her personal choice). Clown, please tell us who you plan to throw a pie at tonight. I expect the oracle can use that information in her divining. Something about future events coming true blahblahblah garbedlygook.
Ananbanana, think about this. A witch has the power of three and a third townsfolk. Why would they sacrifice themselves over only two?
*shrug* Like I said, my vote for you was more of a random vote than anything else, and without persuasive evidence either way, I don't see the need to change it. Also, I'm curious as to why you're 100% certain of both fauxgirlfriend's and Nate's identity. Was that roleplaying, or do you have solid reasoning behind it?
Because getting lynched tomorrow with the bonus of two exposed town roles is better than being the unlucky target of a random lynch today? I don't pretend to know how witches think. Again, I don't necessarily think that you're a witch... it's just that at this point, the question is less "why you" and more "why not you"? If anything, I find it more suspicious that you're being so defensive against what was essentially just a random vote on my part to get things rolling.
Nah, I'm hoping we got lucky. Random lynching that tells a story is more fun than random lynching. Mafia games with new players tend to vote no lynch the first day, and we were given the gift of having a non-participatory player that had a 3/13 chance of being a witch. So, fauxgirlfriend is my first witch.
I wasn't the first to cast a vote either day, Nate was. The trap I described above was a trap; I was waiting for someone to target me. So, Nate is my second witch.
Your "random vote" is the second vote against me. I'm not sure when I should start being defensive, by your logic. When the 6th vote falls, so there is a majority? I think that might be too late.
I'm typing too much. I really don't expect to survive the night now. I'll hang back and let others speak, now. If the clown really doesn't want to reveal him or herself, there is a way around that. I'll leave it to you guys to figure it out.
What about this: as a group, we randomly and publicly decide on a pie target for tonight, so both the clown and oracle know who to target without anybody needing to reveal themselves? If we want to benefit from that though, it'll still rely on the oracle revealing itself, though giving more information to a townie isn't a bad idea.
The thing with this whole plan though, regardless of whether or not the clown reveals itself, wouldn't it be easy for the witches to disrupt just by NK-ing the pie target, since kills are resolved before info roles? Not quite sure how that works actually- what happens if you want to gather info on somebody, but that somebody happens to be dead? And that's assuming we don't choose a witch to be the pie target in the first place.
Of course, the clown and/or oracle could be dead by this point.
Actually, scratch that whole second paragraph. Apparently the clown likes throwing pies at dead people too, and the oracle has no problem divining stuff from corpses.
It doesn't look like anyone's coming forward with any inofrmation gleaned last night. I can understand why. When you ask these people to come out and say something, you're making them immediate targets for the witches. Self preservation and all that. We can only hope that if we end up going down a hideous path then whoever has information decides to share for the greater good.
The danger is that every time we volunteer info, we are making that info visible to the witches also. So any plan we make needs to be something that can't be turned against us.
So either way, someone will have to reveal themselves? So I guess...the clown or the oracle will have to decide whether it's worth the risk. It's better than having no plan at all, but I still want to hear what other people think. And I must admit, I'm getting a bit concerned about the townies who've remained silent all day. Have they locked themselves away in their houses out of fear of the witches, or are they witches themselves?
I'm still here! I'm just sort of following along at the moment @_@ I'm okay with declaring a pie target or whatever, or not. If the oracle doesn't come out and relay their findings then it's a bit of a waste, isn't it?
Im terribly sorry for missing out on last day and night, but my cats ran away, in like different directions (never try using a border collie to heard cats), and I had to chase them down.
Also, I agree that the clown should step forward and reveal themselves, there simply hasn't enough amusement in town since the murders started!
But if they say anything on here they would probably be killed by witches. I think it'd be a better idea if they didn't say anything unless they find out who the witches are. That's just my opinion though. ^^'
And yes, I'm locked in my house, eating all the cake. :3
No really. It was my little brother's birthday yesterday so free cake~
Yeah, I don't suggest anybody reveal their roles (ha, unless you're a witch of course) yet. You'll immediately be killed via soup tonight, I imagine.
It won't necessarily be a waste. How about this: we all declare a random pie target each night. I've confirmed with the mod that pie throws and oracle checks don't get disrupted if the target dies that very night, so no worries(?) about pie targets being killed. This way the oracle will at least know if the person who was lynched that day is a witch or not. This kind of information may be useless if we just do it on one day, but if we make it a regular thing that we do every day, then the oracle will have a reliable source of (very basic) information throughout the game.
Of course this is all moot if the oracle and/or clown dies, but I don't think it's such a problem to draw a random name out of the hat every day, even if it ultimately does nothing. Better than just letting the oracle fumble around in the dark, at least.
If one person gets killed via soup it's not too different from a normal night kill, eh? It's only a problem if more than one innocent person reveal their role; if that's the case, then the witches can just do their normal NK tonight and then wait till they have more role claims to soup-kill multiple townies.
I guess that is true. Though it still seems a bit sad and desperate this early on to insist someone reveal their role, especially if it is one that would be useful to the group.
I agree with voting for a pie target as well.
Well, if people want to go the pie target vote route, I'll start us off I guess...
Pie vote: Kat
Because she seems desperate for some amusement. And what's more amusing than getting pie in the face?
Hopefully the clown and oracle will cooperate (if they're even still alive).
Alright, why not:
Pie vote: Kat
Hopefully the clown agrees with this vote.
Actually nevermind that:
I just thought of someone I am more curious about:
Pie Vote: Nate
I'd like to get your named cleared if your innocent. :D
Blah, don't listen to me, the pie only tells you if they are leroy or the pope. I didn't realize that.
I change my vote back to:
Pie Vote: Kat
I'll just sit over here and be quiet now.
Actually, I think it's more like if the clown hits the leroy or pope, they will find out the clown's identity. Somebody tell me if I'm reading that role wrong.
The only real thing we'll gain from this whole pie-clown-oracle business is an oracle who is guaranteed to know how many witches are still alive every day (and whether or not the lynched person was a witch, that is, if other kinds of kills don't happen during the day). How the oracle uses that info is up to them, I guess.
Kat is a lovely choice for pie vote. However, I think "she" is a he. Hard to tell.
AH! This is complicated.
[hypocrite]This is why I hate people who don't state their gender!!![/hypocrite]
(Sorry, I saw the name "Kat" and assumed it was a girl's name.)
Longest possible loss with only lynches and nks:
10 to 3 <--- Day one
9 to 2*
8 to 1
6 to 1
5 to 1
3 to 1
1 to 1 (loss) <--- Day seven
Longest possible win with only lynches and nks:
10 to 3
9 to 2 *
8 to 1
6 to 1
4 to 1
3 to 1 (win with lynch) <---- Day six
Vigilante kills and DOB kills and soup kills will only make this faster. We have less time than you think. I'm pretty sure with this ruleset it's possible to lose on day three, if we get particularly unlucky. The point isn't to keep yourself alive, it's to kill witches.
That said, I support throwing a pie at Kat.
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