Let's Play "In Your Arms Tonight"...because...you know...

Is it okay that I voted for both Aiba and Ebi
They're both so
so

GENJI ISN'T AVAILABLE YET? WHAT IS THIS FUCKING SHIT?

Look, I am all for moral dilemmas and otome games going places most otome games are too terrified to even consider. I am personally against cheating (mostly because it goes STRONGLY against my values of trust and honesty more than the whole "marriage" thing), but when the only character that honestly makes me feel like they would succeed in giving the protagonist what she wants and needs in life (HE WAS GONE TWELVE FUCKING YEARS AND STILL CAME BACK FOR HER I MEAN HOLY FUCK DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS EVEN EXIST IN REAL LIFE) and they are not fucking available in English, I am just. I.

Someone inform me when Genji is available and I will buy his route and that is the only time I will download this game. While praying he doesn't suddenly have a 180° shift in personality and somehow turns out to be yandere, which would break my heart.

I just.

God damn it.

This. So much. So very, very much.

And I feel like slapping the fucking bartender. This has never happened before. I am upset. This was my reaction every time I saw him show up:



Also, to everyone who has had the premise of this game hit too close to home: I give you a virtual hug because I can't do anything else. *holds all of you precious people*

It would be the 100th post I'd glare down angrily at while looking at the like button and going "No."

I vote for Ebii-chan. I likes me a man that is rough around the edges.

No husband route?

Well, I will admit that Ebii-chan and Aiba have quickly gained my approval.
So I'm just going to pretend that we didn't just finish going through a ridiculously stupid marriage and divorce, and are instead just dating our incredibly sexy co-workers.
Yes.
This is fine.

Honestly who still wants the husband right now? Not that I wanted him to begin with And yes, Mr.Stoic boss is in the lead 8D

I'm torn between the friend and the soccer guy. They're both so adorbz, omg~ I was leaning more towards the friend, but then Genji put on glasses...this is the real dilemma of the game, folks.

Or it would be, if Genji was available. Default to adorable friend guy!

I'm a bit late to discuss the premise of this game but I'll chime in anyway!

I think anyone over the age of 25 gets badgered by their parents to get married in Japan. (and Korea and China?). To the point where people in universities or older organise uh special meetings? where a guy would bring 4 of his friends and a girl would bring 4 of her friends and they essentially hang out. It's a way to meet people? Then there's actual arranged meetings by parents through some matchmaker and it's quite formal, and more prominent in wealthier families?

Also. the perception of marriage is different. A lot of people still think that they are expected to marry and have kids. Marrying is not a matter of you two are in love and you want to marry, whether you get along with your in-laws, whether you are consider to be a good wife (housewife qualities essentially) comes into play as well. The husband's earning potential is a factor because he has to be able to shoulder the household expenses should his wife decide to become a housewife. It's just gender roles are very deeply ingrained in the culture?

This is not really directly related to the game, but it's what I thought of and might give a bit more context. Why they decide to marry could be just a series of factors such as pressure, and sense of obligation and the fact that maybe they just thought both of them were okay husband/;wife material. Of course, even a proper arranged marriage doesn't excuse her husband ignoring her/cheating, we don't really know his reasoning though so mhm. I'm quite curious about it actually. I thought I had more to say that's directly related, but errrr. apparently not.

I want to see all of the routes out of curiosity(and my insatiable thirst for suffering and anger). Whether I like some of them or not is a completely different matter all together~

I will do as many routes as everyone likes :D

Also, Ebi-chan is ahead by enough that I think I will just go ahead and do his route during work in a couple of hours.

Any objections?

I vote Ebi. He reminds me of myself, but with redeeming qualities.
Also, does anyone else find Akiko...off putting? Her smile makes her look like she's about to go for my throat and her eyes just don't look all there.

Actually is not new, the cheating in otome games had be done before, being Gin no Kanmuri, Ao no Namida the first one that come to my mind, the difference is that the husband doesn't cheat, is eroge, prota-chan is a slut and a bitch, etc.

What. They stick glasses and a faithful-to-our-promise on Genji and then make him unavailable? Madness, utter madness.

Ebihara's route is the only one I've played, so I probably can't vote for him.

But I can provide propaganda!



I'm sorry I'm not sorry

I with you sis!

tsukamaete, I want to give you a thousand likes for this.
You are hilarious and I love you. CREEPILY AND UNWHOLESOMELY <3

That was so amazing...I have nothing to say except thank you...

NIGHT=MADE!!!

I object, but only because I'm still holding out a tiny bit of hope for Aiba-kun >.<

Lysa! *Sobs* You deserve better than that damn husband of yours! GO AND SEDUCE YOUR SEXY BOSS! You go girl! (what a nice and un-otome-ish protag-chan)

I vote for Ebihara, I like him so far.
Genji seems cool but I'd like to know more about that "I thought you would have wait twelve years for me" part first. I'm suspicious of everyone in this game.

Also, can we pull our drink all over Kiyoto next time we see him? What the hell.

Kiyoto is available before Genji is? What kind of devilry is this?! Though I see that Kiyoto is available before your (ex-)husband too, which is kinda bizarre considering the premise of the game.

Since my first choice isn't available, I'm going with Ebi-chan. Don't disappoint me, Mr. Bossman.

You keep count of these things? O_o

Do you keep this info in an Excel document or do you just have that much free time? Can I have some of your free time? Pleeeeease?

I am baffled that your husband is not the first route available for this game. You'd think they would realize that the majority of people might want to try and repair their marriage before divorcing/cheating.

*damn near chokes on tea*

Uhm, sorry to break it to you, but this pretty much happens everywhere. I wasn't married at 25 and my mom was telling me I should just marry my best male friend. Um...no, mom, he's a friend for a reason.

I remember my friend knew a younger Japanese woman who wasn't married, and she told him that she would be considered a fossil if she wasn't married by age 30. I can confirm that this is an attitude that the US has as well--if you don't marry by the time you hit 30, "you'll be single for life". The truth is, of course, that you can get married at any age, though the dating pool is going to be smaller so it would be a bit harder to find someone that you get along with---but it's not freaking impossible like some people mom make it out to be. >_<

Erm, I thought it was that he thought he'd be back sooner? That he didn't think it would take twelve years, but it did? Although I wonder how much contact they had after he left, because if he didn't keep in contact with her at all I think it would be unrealistic to expect someone to wait twelve years for you.

Seconded vote for dumping a drink on Kiyoto.

Considering how easy it is to divorce these days and how willing people are to do that for the flimsiest of reasons celebrities, I'm looking at you, I'm not that surprised he's not the first route available.

I am also a horribly jaded person when it comes to romantic realtionships.

Er, I've always thought divorce law was in general complicated and messy...

It depends on the context and comparison. In many countries in the world today it is now possible to receive a no-fault divorce, where both people involved can simply say "Whoops, we made a mistake, we don't want to be married any longer" and break up. In the past, this really wasn't possible. If you wanted a divorce you had to prove that your spouse was a horrible person and that it would be cruel to force you to be married to them (and considering different standards for cruelty, this could be pretty hard!), and one of you would have to be blamed and punished for the marriage's failure. This led to many couples separating but not divorcing because getting the divorce would be difficult and require turning their truce ("you go your way, I go mine") into outright war.

However, working out the details of a contested divorce nowadays is still very messy and complicated, particularly if there are children involved.

As I understand it, with the current Japanese system if both parties agree to just walk away it is insanely easy to do. You just go to the registry together and say you're done, and it's over. If one party isn't willing to agree (or isn't willing to agree without financial guarantees) then the complications come in.

I'm not really a lawyer, but it seems like many of these celebrity divorces seem to take less than a year to be finalized. Though I suppose that happens only when the two people involved don't fight each other tooth and nail, and since celebrities don't have to worry about money it might make their divorces easier. Maybe how long they've been married plays a factor as well? I vaguely remember some California law about a marriage that lasts less than ten years and alimony, or something. >_< Oh, yeah, I live in California, so that might also have something to do with it---laws may vary by state. Not sure about that. They definitely vary by country.

Annullments by your chosen religion, if applicable, can be more difficult to obtain depending on the circumstances, but they're definitely easier than they used to be.

There also used to be quite the stigma about getting divorced, which is why people in the past didn't divorce as much as they do now. So these days being divorced isn't strange, it's normal. There are some South American countries that don't allow divorce or have just recently allowed it, but here in the good ol' USA our divorce rate is 50%.

Thank you, gegi!

That's what I tought as well, because if they keep in contact then it kinda makes less sense - why she married someone else then? Was she tired of waiting?
I should see how his route is first.

True. I have friends who are already threated as old maids by some of their relatives because they weren't married at 23. In my family we avoid the entire marriage topic because university comes first.

It depends about your religion. If you're a roman catholic you have a lot of stuff to do and you have to talk to your local priest a lot and then be lucky to live in a town where divorce isn't considered an horrible things.
But you're already a "lesser" catholic because of that and there are some rites you can't be part of anymore. You can be a real catholic again if you re-marry again, I think.

I actually want to play the husband route last.

I don't want to be feeling all guilty when I play other routes for leaving him, it was hard enough to ignore the advances of the other bachelors in Seduced In the Sleepless City thanks to all those touchy-feely backstories

I believe you can only be a true Catholic again if you have your first marriage annulled as well and then remarry in the Catholic church. Not positive on that, though. I should ask my friend.

Heck, some Catholics will look down on you if you marry a non-Catholic, no matter how stable and loving your relationship may be.

I'm sure it varies a lot, but I think in the U.S. there's a very narrow window of when it's "acceptable" to get married.

If you get married "too young" then it's all like, "No, how can you tie yourself down, you have your whole life ahead of you!!!" (I got married at 21 and got a bunch of this crap.)

But then if you wait "too long" there's obviously something wrong with you, too.

Same thing with having kids; you're "allowed" to have them in your late 20s/early 30s maybe, but any other time is just weird.

I guess it also goes without saying that most of what I've said applies to women but not men, too. It seems to be perfectly acceptable for a guy to get married whenever he wants and have kids whenever he wants, though I still wonder about guys that have kids when they're in their 60's.

Also, the 70-something guy that marries an 18 year old is still really weird to me. I...just...eh...WHAT?! *brain short-circuits* *twitching commences*

They were saying that to you when you were 21? Sheesh. I would think 16 or 17, not 21.

That's completely true! And sadly, the same seems to go for relationships.

When my high school boyfriend dumped me after a year, everyone just told me that it was high school so no big deal.

My boyfriend of 2 months dumps me now and I get so many poor baby's its sickening.

There is no age limit on the way your heart feels.

I think it's harder getting an annullament, because you have to have legitimate reasons and wrote to the Roman Rota and whatnot. For istance you can't get an annullamenet if you just don't love your partner anymore but you can get an annullament if you wanted to marry a doctor and then he decides to be a writer or something like that. Not really sure about how it works.

And yeah, some Catholics have always a reason to look down on you. Because you're not Catholic. Or not Catholic enough. Or just because.

when i was younger
i said i was gonna be married at 18
when i was 18
i said i was gonna be married at 21
now i'm 21
i'm not married and i have no kids
Deep down, I have this anxiety about getting too old and crossing that invisible line from "young wife" to "oh, well you just found him a bit later I guess?" to "EUGH YOU'RE SO OLD FUCK" at the ripe ol' age of 35, haha. Not to mention there's health complications if you try to have kids later and life and...
/hyperventilating

/confession

By my cultural standards you're still too young to be married or have kids... but who am I to judge? I think the main thing we should take away is that some people really need hobbies other than frantically judging everyone else for "doing it wrong".

(Not anyone in this thread, I mean the nebulous THEY out there who tell us all that whatever we're doing, we're somehow spoiling it and WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN and so on.)

Eh? I'm not sure a change in career is a legitimate reason to get an anullment. I do know of one, though. My friend married a woman who later confessed to being a lesbian and got a divorce from him. He could ask for an anullment on those grounds, because he didn't know she was one before he married her.