Let's Play "In Your Arms Tonight"...because...you know...

Yep!

I don't recall it ever really being established in the route how that relationship got started, or why Koichi ever thought it would be a good idea.

Also, it seems we're all kinda alike here in this forum. <3
You all understand so well~!

Oh and by the way, being horrible to your friends in a jokingly way is not just an Australian thing.
I think it's more global than anything, really.
We do it the same way over here, at least!

Well, it's complicated. Like many people who posted here, I just happen to be perfectly nice and sociable to complete strangers (or at least the most nice and sociable that awkward me can be) while being a jerk to people who I am close to.
When you say that Koichi should "moderate until she's somewhat used" well, it's not how it works. At least not for me.
I don't even realize when I start being a jerk, how can I even "moderate" it?
And it's not nice when you say to someone that they should pretend to not be the asshole who they really are, because their sociable mask is a much more pleasant company. This is especially bad considering that it's coming from a person who is close enough to the jerk in question that he's just being himself in her presence.
It's kinda like you're saying "Can you stop being yourself? Because I hate your true self and would rather live with the dude you were pretending to be." to your best friend/boyfriend/someone reeeeeally close to you.
I know Koichi's wrong, but calling him out on that behavior is really the best way to deal with this. That'll make him aware of his flaws so he can then start working on them.

So, we've moved on from general rage to slight acceptance of the fact for some people. Progress!

As I've said before, from the perspective of having completed the route I understand, at least to a point, why Koichi is behaving the way he is.

He's still handling the whole situation phenomenally poorly, however, and he's going to have no one to blame but himself when it inevitably blows up in his face. (And it will. If, you know, that makes anyone feel any better.)

I can concur, without spoiling specifics of the events, that it indeed blows up in his face spectacularly. It's a beautiful sight to behold.

I feel slightly better now. *evil smile*

But then we'd have to deal with him being an emo bastard for days!!! After Kaptein Morgan's emo slump I can't stand it!!!! At least Kaptein Morgan had a very good reason to be emo.

Because Koichi is half-oblivious, half-moronic. It was most likely a one-time thing, then she kept coming around and Koichi's just like 'whatever' and goes with it. It fits with his displayed personality so far.
/still irritated but beginning to understand
clap it up for Voltage: 'make protag a sometimes dispassionate weakling and her husband an asshole, you say? it's perfect!'
...why Voltage?!

This is entirely possible. Especially given that, as we will see when Mistress-chan makes her appearance,

Eh, I'm willing to give him a pass on this point:

He still did it to himself, of course, but it seems less like a case of Koichi willfully being an asshole and more one of "really did not think this through".

Considering that this route's Lysa is being a complete moron and that Koichi needs years of therapy, I think this route is going rather well.
I have this uncanny ability to read people so socializing has never been a problem for me. Although I do tend to be a bit on the sarcastic side once people get to know me, I don't particularly put on a polite face since I really am as polite as I seem. You guys are all fascinating~

I have a truly uncanny ability to read people in situations not involving me and a hypersensitive awareness of negativity in my presence, but it's so sensitive that to me the situation could be "I am tired" or "You are annoying" or "You kicked my puppy into oncoming traffic". And, sadly enough, it is impossible for me to know whether I've offended all but two of my friends since they are so good at covering up their emotions.

That sounds really inconvenient. Situations involving yourself are the only situations where that ability is extremely handy!
Are your friends me? Because that sounds like something I do everyday pretty often.

I'm the same as you then. I'm incredibly rude to my friends but pleasant with strangers. But even if I am the biggest meanie head, I still converse, joke and be nice to my friends. So it's not the case that Koichi shouldn't 'be himself'. It's the case of the incredibly confused Lysa who doesn't feel close to Koichi to accept him just yet. I feel that Koichi thinks that after marriage he can just slack off in her presence so he reverts to his normal personality after acting nice and sweet to a woman he met twice (?) before marrying. It's a massive shock to Lysa for sure. Honestly, his behaviour reminds me of the cases where the boyfriend is the best man in the world but then becomes the abusive husband which was his 'true self'. To moderate his behaviour is to go out of his way to at least tone down the sharpness of his tongue and listen to her from time to time.
From my perspective Koichi is already comfortable acting like what ever he wants, but for Lysa, who married a mask, is in shambles. It's fine to turn the cold water tap on someone you're extremely close to and the feeling is mutual. Lysa still feels like a stranger so his coldness is amplified by a few hundred times.That's the main problem. Koichi is comfortable with Lysa (unless it deals with his personal life (??)) but Lysa isn't and is trying to be but Koichi already feels it's comfortable so he doesn't make any effort.

In other words i'm reading the spoilers because i'm the type to look up a walkthrough for a game and i'm just going O:

Yes, I agree, delicious pedobear bubblefriend. When I call I my best friend, the first things that come out of us is something along the lines of, 'Hello whore', 'I hate your face', or 'I can smell you from here'. If an acquaintance said that, I'd be horribly offended and hate them. It's my bestie, so, haha, retaliatory insult for you.

For Koichi, though....bitch, we aren't friends, I don't know you, I don't think you're joking.

Your 5 minutes is over? Fuck you. Fuck you and your fuckmates. Just, no. No. I hate your face.

I don't think Koichi is comfortable in this situation either, really. I think it's more that he does not know how to make the situation a comfortable one for both of them and, in the absence of knowing how to do that, he's withdrawing in an attempt to minimize the discomfort - and while I think he realized that Lysa is not comfortable with things as they are I don't think he realized, at least up until the recent confrontation, that because Lysa's not an awkward turtle like he is, his withdrawal was causing her discomfort rather than doing anything at all to ameliorate it.

I see your point, Joie, and IRL like I've said, I get it, I really do. But, she started to talk to him about her discomfort. Even though she is absolutely horrible about talking about it (and she is), he should at least understand there is a problem and that going away into alternate rooms doesn't help. Our protaganista could leave a note on the kitchen table explaining her feelings since she can't speak apparently.

At this point I kind of hate her for not opening her goddamn mouth, and yes, Koichi has had a crappy example up to this point....but seriously, someone needs to day something. IRL my husband-kun says (IMHO) horrible shit like 'Do you have a point to this story?' and I've let him know that that is a dick thing to say.

That said, I get to be far more of a jerk than in real life (language wise), so, Lysa, say it! Let Koichi know that his words are hurtful right away. It's nice; this isn't a real person, so being understanding of their issues doesn't actually mean anything in the long run.

Lucky. I am almost as dense as an otome protagonist. This guy had a crush on one of my friends and I didn't realize it until a few days after my friend told me (the person being crushed on) and I had the chance to observe them again. I realize when I said something wrong by their facial expressions sometimes but my mouth gets ahead of my brain and it's just a mess.

Honestly, I think you guys are probably putting more thought into this than the writers did themselves. Not that it's a bad thing, just saying.

Personally, I can't be bothered to try and understand Koichi right now. Presumably the game will explain his behavior at some point and he'll get better, but until then, he's a jerk face. ¯\(°_o)/¯ Though it should be noted that while I'm interested in the story, it's still just a game to me, so I'm not taking it very seriously and my responses are kind of exaggerated. I think I was also probably the only one who didn't have a problem with the whole cheating aspect of the game, for similar reasons.

Anyway, Koichi actually seemed normal in that last update. That's some kind of progress, I think.

I would hope the writers thought through the implications of their romances before they marketed them.

I-it's not l-like i'm delicious or anything! baka

And yeah, Koichi is being a big peepee right now. If he was just uncomfortable and doesn't know how to express it/alleviate it, then he could at least apologize.

It's partly Lysa's problem too. She needs to speak up more. Some guys need things spelt out in front of them -_-" oooohh the pain of a woman's love~

If I was Lysa I'd say "Stop bothering me, Koichi! I'm trying to work and work hard! Go away." but I'm not brave enough to say that out loud

And actually I can relate to Lysa. I'm very bad at speaking about my problems and all people whom I was trying to speake were very rude :I Like, everyone answered me like this:"Oh shut up! My music interfere with yours? Make yours louder then!" Fuck these people >:(

Nah I didn't have a problem with Lysa cheating on him either. To me that's not really a legitimate relationship (they don't communicate, not friends, definitely not lovers). Especially not since he used a bait and switch. The Koichi Lysa would've been cheating on (the one she thought she married) doesn't exist so no harm no foul.

It has more to do with the fact that I like to study people, really. I always pay attention to their body language and their tone of voice, from there it's just testing to see what responses they give to seemingly vague questions. I've only ever hurt someone when I was deliberately trying to. And it's kind of funny because people tend to tell me their secrets for some reason so I can pretty much ruin their lives if I feel like it. Watch out guys, I'm the worst type of human being <3 That's probably not something to be proud of.

You're not bad, you're doing it FOR SCIENCE.

...

All during that update I was waiting for the punchline ie 'Oh Koichi's being an alright person and this would be a great chance for bonding HOW'S HE GONNA KICK HER IN THE FACE THIS TIME?'

I do not trust you Koichi.

And I try to be understanding given that I'm misunderstood often and people who don't know me either think I'm an ice hearted dragon lady or I'm the bubbly librarian who chirps "How can I help you~?". See Koichi, normally when people get to know you/get close to you (like say, your wife) they'll learn what your quirks are and what may seem brusque becomes clearly not mean just to the point. My friends and interns who aren't brand new know that when I say "Hey make sure that gets done." I'm just asking that they make sure to have that thing done... New interns/interns from other shifts? Let's just say that I said "Please make sure those books get sorted before the end of your shift." and the girl went to her direct supervisor the next day sobbing and quit. And I was even smiling and trying to be chipper. You don't do that Koichi. You don't even seem to try, you've just been a total asswipe. This supporting Lysa in her work thing is nice but how 'bout ya bring that 'not a monster' behavior to every other aspect of this relationship? Yeah?

Oh okay, you're just going to keep being a douche til we get your emo backstory and then we're supposed to be forgiving? Fine I guess.



PS: Judging from all these other posts I dare say there is a BF user type, at least here in the LP section. I've never met people before who apparently share my people issues so this is nice.

iPhone update!

I am mildly interested in Shohei's epilogue, but given how severely disappointing Ebi-chan's was, I doubt I'll buy either of these.

What, did the hot spring CG overhype it so much that it was a let down?

It's just plain really poorly-written.

Aiba's epilogue is better than Ebihara's, I thought. There's even some redemption for Nanami in it.

I liked Genji's, too. It had some genuinely sweet and emotional moments. But it also reminded me why Genji is my least favorite of all the guys so far.

Wait, he has a brother? Am I missing something?

The Japanese game has, I think, 3 more guys available that haven't been translated yet. The hotel guy shows up as coming soon, but we can't see any of the guys on the 2nd page (it was the same with PiL; Alan's picture shows up on a second page which couldn't be accessed until he was actually available). One of the guys we don't have yet is Genji's younger (I think younger) brother.

This basically sums up why I don't care for Genji. I like him better than Kiyoto, but that's a really low bar.

Let's see if Koichi's interest and kindness are truly fleeting, shall we?

Koichi: "...You really love your job, don't you?"

Lysa: "I do. I'm still a beginner, and I'm a long way from standing on my own, but..."

Lysa: "I think interior spaces have a lot of power."



Somehow, that seems like what Koichi thinks about relationships...

Lysa: "And no matter how carefully you select your furniture..."

Lysa: "If you strike the wrong balance, it won't be relaxing..."

Lysa: "If only more people knew that..."

Koichi: "..."

Lysa: "Oh, I'm sorry. Now I'm rambling on."

Just a little bit.

Koichi: "No, it's interesting to hear about."

Lysa: "It is...?"

Koichi: "My mother seems to be opposed to you continuing to work, but..."







I'm just going to go with "Thank you" here. Maybe we can train him!

Lysa: "Thank you."

Lysa: (Come to think of it, when Koichi's mom gave me that earful the other night...)

Lysa: (Koichi did stick up for me...)

Lysa: (Ignoring the matter of the other woman...)

Oh god.



Stockholm Syndrome, anyone?

Lysa: (Maybe I can at least believe him when he says I can keep working.)

Lysa: "...Oh, I'll go warm up dinner."

Koichi: "I can handle that much myself."



Koichi: "You must be in a rush for it if you're bringing it home to work on."

Lysa: "Yeah, I am."

Lysa: (Koichi's being so nice today.)

It's freaking me out.

Lysa remembers the night before, and resentment flickers amidst her happy thoughts.



Lysa: (Or... Is it because he saw that woman?)

Lysa hastily shakes her head to stop that train of thought.

Lysa: (No, think of it some other time. For now, I've got work to do.)

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Friday:

Aiba: "..."



Aiba: "I like it. It's better than I'd expected, even."

Lysa: "Really?!"



Hooray! Professional life is back on track (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ

Lysa: "Then..."

Aiba: "I'll show them to Mr. Ebihara first."



And if Ebi-chan and the client like Lysa's design better, she gets to run the show ❤

Yayyyy. I'm going to ignore Koichi and focus on Lysa's career because that is the only good thing about any of this.

Koichi being nice is suspicious and makes me think he is planning something, to be honest. When people in real life are suddenly really nice, my first instinct is to ask "What do you want?" because I expect them to ask me for a favor or something .. I just .. don't trust someone that's suddenly nice. And since every time Koichi was decent and nice until now he was more of an ass than ever before soon after .. I just keep waiting for that to happen!

Also, yay for Lysa being good and appreciated at her job - at least that's a good thing! Although I think they should remove Aiba and Ebi-chan from Koichis route because all I think when I see them is "Rescue me! Let me love you .. why can't we be on your route?!" ^^

Yaaaay~ Will Koichi maintain this nice-ness? Nope Will Aiba ever confess? Nope Will Koichi's mother ever accept Lysa? Haha. NOPE.

Find out on the next episode of...