Discussion in 'Big Shotz Sports' started by Sluggo, Feb 28, 2012.
Will Seattle go for a TD in garbage time, so they can add a two pointer and put up 50 points?
And Luck broke Cam Newton's record for passing yards and has that crazy turnaround in his favor. And RGIII pretty much carried the Redskins, has been hot since the season start (whereas Wilson started slow). and has the additional rushing stats. I think you can make a strong case for any of the three.
When I set my homerism aside; I think RW or RGIII are legit ROTY contenders. Not Luck though; he just isn't as good as they are.
but he's white, so that's worth at least 10 TD and forgives at least 10 INT
Luck is pretty much all Indy has though, he doesnt have a Morris or Lynch so he has to do more passing and will have to take more chances which does equate to more interceptions. But as ive said before any of the three is a good choice and I cant see why anyone should say one of them wouldnt deserve it.
I'm not even sure what to make of your comment.
Honestly is it your mission to post the fucking stupidest shit in every NFL thread? Stop being such a fucking racist.
If that's all you can hang your hat on tonight Bill, that's fine with me. ;-)
I do hope, if there is a playoff rematch, that Justin Smith is healthy. Pretty clear his absence badly hurts the 49ers.
If you mean my (eventual) NFC West Champions hat after we beat the Cardinals next week, then yes :-)
Can't argue that, although I doubt they would have won even if he was healthy. I don't think there is a more elusive QB in the league than Wilson. Smith's presence might have plugged up the run though, and forced Seattle to change their schemes.
The Cards will be a much easier game then Seattle faces with the Rams, thats for sure. I'm not sure how confident I am that Seattle will beat them given how little will be on the line.
Maybe, but if you look at how the Patriots came back against the 49ers defense once he went out and what happened tonight, its really hard not to think his impact on their defense as a whole is pretty huge. And its not like there is a big history to look at since he's hardly ever missed a game.
It's crazy to think Seattle has scored 150 points in the last three weeks. I guess that's tied for number 2 all time in terms of most points scored in a three week period.
To clarify: my comment is that Luck is the rookie QB for fans that 15 years ago would have suggested Russell Wilson, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kapernick should be playing Corner Back, Wide Receiver, or Running Back.
That's not fair and you know it, Bill. I'd like to think you're a decent enough person to realize that after you sober up and/or get less angry about your 49ers getting destroyed or whatever it is that's making you revert to 2002 era Bill Dungsroman asshole mode.
Can you demonstrate that you've grown up just a little bit over the past decade rather than being intentionally insulting, inflammatory, and ad hominem? Your nastiness doesn't add anything to this particular conversation other than a potential derailment and deterioration into flamewar.
I predicted it over a month ago in this very thread. Bow to my expertise!
Little do the Niners know is that, at halftime, Kurt Warner will skydive into Candlestick, throw for seven touchdowns, and then skyhook his way out via a C-130.
Neither does your careless racism. If 2002 was back when you called black football players "chimps" without apology then I guess we'll get into the time machine, won't we? Except I am pretty sure it was only a few years ago.
Don't even dare step to me about maturity, you are the very definition of immature internet idiot. Fuck you.
Your comment is still stupid and ignorant. You have no clue what fans 15 years ago would have said, and it is doubtful they would have said that about 3 QBs with winning records, because why would they?
I don't believe I ever would have called a black person a "chimp" and if I said something that could be interpreted that way, I apologize. That would be abhorrent and uncalled for. I'll readily admit to hasty, careless, and sometimes thoughtless posting over at Qt3 and here as well and if a formal internet apology is what you want, I offer it here.
Bill, in asking you to behave like a grown up I'm not trying to hold myself or my posting history up as an exemplar of maturity. I'm just asking you to consider acting like a decent human being despite what you may think of me.
I'm confused by your hostility in this thread and if my comment in this thread about Andrew Luck being undeserving of some of his adulation and indicating that a certain percentage of his ROY cred is due to his whiteness, then I apologize for making a hasty comment about a cultural norm that I believe to be true and awful and I suppose should be addressed in more careful, measured words and tones than in a jokey throwaway post in an NFL thread on Broken Forum.
I hope in 2013 you find happiness and a salve to whatever it is that is obviously filling you with so much internet rage.
To whom are you addressing this perceived racial bias? OROTY is awarded by the Associated Press. In the past 20 or so years they've awarded ROTY to only three white guys. Any bias you'd want to argue would be against Luck in that case. Of course, you could make the claim that the AP is biased towards white QBs since of the 5 QBs that have won in that time span, three were white (Ryan,Bradford,Big Ben)...but that of course means that two that won weren't (Cam and VY).
So there's no institutional bias in favor of white players winning that award, which means you must be talking about, I dunno, the people discussing this...here. So, if I'm reading this right, those of us who think Luck is in the mix are racists?
Your first, more charitable reading, is the one I intended. I did not intend to infer any of the Luck fans in this thread are racist or biased in favor of white quarterbacks.
Let's split the difference between 2002 and a few years ago and call it 2006.
I stand corrected. My 2006 post that Hanacker dug up does, in fact, make the incredibly poor word choice of chimp to refer to Joey Porter, a black football player. That was a terribly insensitive and stupid word choice and for anybody that remembers and still hates from that 2006 thread I can understand how my comment about Andrew Luck upthread can be easily misunderstood.
When you're at the "No guys, really, I'm not racist!" portion of your argument, I think you've already lost. I do hope that Russell Wilson wins it, because no one expected this type of play out of him.
In all fairness if we're going to dredge shit up from 6 years ago on an entirely different forum...maybe we should all drop it.
Yeah that is incredibly petty. Anyhow, I'm all in favor of Russel Wilson getting the nod here.
I don't know or remember Ryan's post well enough but I just read that as sarcasm. The old nonsense that black QBs are destined to fail because they aren't smart enough to play the position. Either way, Russell Wilson definitely deserves the nod. Hopefully he'll get it and all that preseason and early season hype for RGIII doesn't override what Wilson has done. Not that RGIII isn't deserving of it either in almost any other year.
The pro-bowl selections are out and as usual there are some bad choices. At least Richard Sherman being passed on has some argument given the PED thing, but Jeff Saturday as a pro-bowl center? He hasn't had a good year and just lost his job. Then there is the astounding fact that the Chiefs got five players selected - apparently there are five very good players on that team surrounded by crap.
On a seperate note, Yahoo has this neat little playoff widget that you can mess with to see what happens depending on the games that matter on Sunday. It's unlikely, but there is a scenario where Seattle could end up the #2 seed.
The salsa dance gimick and being in NY really worked well for Victor Cruz since Vincent Jackson and Dez Bryant were way more deserving this year.
It's also going to be interesting to see what happens with ROY given RGIII going to the pro-bowl as a rookie and the other top contenders not.
Really weird seeing Jeff Saturday going after being benched, yeah. And the Vincent Jackson snub is pretty glaring, since obviously team performance doesn't matter (Chiefs).
RG3 is an interesting choice, made I guess because obviously you can't pick Alex Smith or Kaepernick, Tony Romo (because he's Tony Romo), Russel Wilson (I guess because he wasn't all that stellar until recently, and this is the Pro For 2/3 of the Season Bowl), and Eli or Drew Brees (lost too many games late and too many early, respectively). It's almost sad, if Alex Smith hadn't been benched he might have actually gotten a Pro Bowl nod.
Not to say I don't think RG3 is a fit candidate, because he is.
I think they will give Andrew Luck RotY regardless, because the Colts were a 2 win team last season whereas the Redskins and Seahawks were not.
I am torn on who gets MVP, Manning or Peterson. Since the Broncos were a playoff team last season, that might temper votes for him. Then again, he's Peyton Manning and MVP doesn't necessarily take into account last season's performance (they only seem to care about that as it pertains to CotY and maybe RotY). I do think if Peterson doesn't get the rushing record (which seems unlikely at this point, but not impossible for that beast of a man), he has no shot at MVP, and will get Comeback Player. Likewise, if he does, he gets MVP and Manning will get Comeback Player.
Defensive MVP looks like a lock for JJ Watt since Aldon Smith ain't done shit for two games now.
Defensive RotY seems to come down to Casey Heyward, Harrison Smith, Janoris Jenkins and Bobby Wagner. It seems to me the league/AP/whatever likes to see the awards get spread around, so Harrison Smith might be out because of Peterson's potential accolades (I could be wrong). Janoris Jenkins is an outside shot, but I am not sure he will beat out Heyward, who I think will win. Wouldn't be shocked to see Jenkins in next year's Pro Bowl, though. Now, I will say that is who I think will win. Who I feel deserves to win is Seattle's Bobby Wagner, who statistically is the 3rd best ILB playing this season - among all ILBs, incidentally, not rookies. Let's be honest that Seattle D is brutal and Wagner is as much a part of it as anyone.
As for Coach of the Year, that's also tricky. CotY is the only award that might often go in tandem with a RotY or MVP, although not that often (I count only twice in the last 20 years for MVP/CotY, maybe another two times with RotY). It seems to me that often it goes to a coach who wins a lot more games than the team he coaches for did the year before, but not always. Failing that, it sometimes just goes to the team with the best record. So, it could be Gary Kubiak or Mike Smith (I dunno about Kubiak after the Texans got boatmurdered by New England and Smith just won it in 2008), Bill Belicheck (not a 4th time unless he goes 16-0 again and not after the they lost some truly absurd games to NFC West teams, of all divisions), John Fox (the Broncs were a playoff team last season and Manning will get some kind of award, however if it's not MVP I could see Fox getting it; hell he might anyway), Mike Shanahan (I suppose), Pete Carroll (Seattles strong finish helps but again, Seattle wasn't too shabby last season and assuming SF wins this Sunday, Seattle won't even have won the division).
I'd love to see Bruce Arians get it, but I am not sure he fits whatever nebulous criteria they have. Probably Fox gets it since the Broncos will likely finish on an 11-0 run.
Offensive linemen pretty much earn tenure in the Pro Bowl. And the old general adage of is always true: most players get into and out of the Pro Bowl later than they deserve.
I don't see how Arians doesn't get it. The guy inherited a 2-14 team and a rookie QB and had the HC position thrust on him rather unexpectedly.
What I find will be weird is that he got them into the playoffs and Pagano is back in charge. Has anything ever like that happened before? We've seen it with starting QBs, but a head coach?
No doubt. I recall Larry Allen getting it after he moved to the Niners (lol).
Not to my recollection, no. If so it hasn't been for some time. Was thinking Arians might not qualify as he was never the head coach per se, just acting HC. Might be some technicality.
Luke Kuechly has got to be in the running for DRoY.
I think for coach of the year ignoring what Leslie Frazier has done with the vikings would be a mistake. He should be right up there with anyone else for the award.
Frazier at a level with Arians? How do you figure?
He is I am sure but with other candidates on teams faring better than Carolina, he will probably get overlooked (like Janoris Jenkins).
This is a surprise - looks like Richard Sherman won his appeal and won't be suspended after all. His claim has been that his urine sample was mishandled in his presence, so it seems the NFL agreed.
Yeah once I read about the chain of custody bungling, I figured his appeal would be approved. Which is how it ought to be, really, you can't take samples from broken specimen cups and whatever else happened.
So, Greg McElroy came down with a case of the ol' concussion-like symptoms, and won't be starting for the Jets on Sunday.
Neither will Tim Tebow.
Time to rewrite all those "Mark Sanchez has played his last game as a Jet" headlines, guys!
Did anyone expect the Vikings to be anywhere near the playoffs this year? Especially with their best player coming off such a horrible knee injury? Also for most of the year it has been one good player on offense, the only other real talent they have on offense has been injured most of the year. I just don't think Frazier should be ignored when discussing Coach of the Year.
So he went from saying it was a correct positive but it was someone elses drink that had the drug in there to it was a false positive due to a chain of custody issue?
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