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North Korean Unicorns Discovered

Discussion in 'The Sanctum Santorum' started by Aeon221, Nov 30, 2012.

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UNICORNS?!

FUCK YEA 31 vote(s) 43.7%
AWW YISS 40 vote(s) 56.3%
  1. SuperJay Already Beat BF's New Expansion

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    Yeah, we may be due for a merge with this and the Unicorns thread. At first I assumed this was the seriousthread for serioustalk, but just realized that this page has pictures of a bear riding a Segway.
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  2. Lum Fatbird

    Merge complete!
  3. shift6 Magister Mundi Elyscape

  4. drew This Is SEWIOUS

    Wasn't a merger, it was a hostile takeover!

    I'm surprised "dear leader" wasn't piloting the non existant spacecraft, gangnamgodzilla-21 in the video
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  5. Drastic Beardy Magnificence

    I kept pressing the shutter button towards the hatoful forum - shining in the dark,
    and through the lens I could see the unification flag flapping on the united thread.
    And as the waves of passion made my camera-holding hand weep,
    I was able to see a dark smoke rising somewhere in D&D.
  6. Alligator Despondent Fancygator

  7. Quitch Keeper of the Elemental Materials

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    Though, as was pointed out at arstechnica, surely this falls under Fair Use?
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  8. Matthew Gallant Despondent Fancybear

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    Austin, TX
  9. Randissimo Hatoful Pigeon

    What even...
  10. Pogo Hard Cider Gal

    Motherfuckers must own Chotchkie's.
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  11. Sheepherder Armchair Designer

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    The hope is that South Korean snipers will stop to count them before deciding which general to shoot.
  12. Footmunch Hard Cider Gal

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    They get a medal for every time they think about a military coup but then don't go through with it.
  13. Gnu Elitist Negative Nancy

    "Do you have pantsmedals? I have pantsmedals. What, did you leave your pantsmedals in your other pants? HAHA."
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  14. Johan Osterman Hard Cider Gal

    So now we know NK is inhabited by the Tiste Edur and their coinclad kings.
  15. Lum Fatbird

    Sadly, it's a photoshop, but the original isn't that much better.

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  16. Adam B Keeper of the Elemental Materials

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    Way to destroy our dreams.

    (the 'shop job is pretty great through, in concept and execution both.)
  17. Murgatroyd Despondent Fancybear

    Those medals are a diversion. You can tell the high ranking officials from the decoys based on facial fat.
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  18. Kasumi Tsukiko Elitist Negative Nancy

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    Actually, they're hoping that the shininess of the medals will either a) dazzle the SK snipers or b) temporarily blind the SK snipers so that the NKs can either attack or escape.

    That, or they're just mentally challenged.
    /nods
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  19. Quackers Magister Mundi Elyscape

    Looks like they just did another nuke test. At what point, if ever, will China be like "Maybe this isn't a good idea."
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  20. Sheepherder Armchair Designer

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    They've already passed that point. You'll notice they haven't shared any of their highly evolved ICBM designs even though they still supply necessities of life.
  21. Talorc Worked The System

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    They are certainly talking a good game:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/us-korea-north-idUSBRE91B04820130212


    But you would think they have more levers to pull than just calling in the ambassador.
  22. Lum Fatbird

    There's a lot of moving objects at work here.

    North Korea: the government is still very much a mystery. Ostensibly, Kim Jong Un is in charge. Kim Jong Un is also in his late 20s and with little actual experience so the thought of his being the undisputed dictator of a Marxist theocracy is ...kind of funny. He is almost certainly a figurehead, and as part of that he has a strong physical resemblance to worshipped-as-a-god Kim Il Sung and can actually give a speech, unlike his father. Although it's theoretically possible that Kim Jong Un actually has real power simply by virtue of being the dictator in name, most people believe real power is in the hands of Kim Kyong Hui (Kim Jong Il's sister) and her husband Jang Sang Taek. The Daily NK is running an interesting story on Jang Sang Taek's rise to power here: http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk03600&num=10291 Essentially, given such instability and most likely a lot of posturing behind the scenes, North Korea is very much likely to continue to bluff and posture.

    South Korea: just had a change in government. As both the outgoing and incoming governments are of the same party there isn't a lot of expected policy change, though it's likely North Korea chose now as the time to rattle its nuclear saber due to South Korea's leadership transition - the theory being if it happened during the outgoing Lee Myung-Bak administration the incoming Park Gyung-Hee's administration would ignore it easier. This merely goes to show how badly North Korea is at reading South Korean politics, to put it mildly.

    China: *also* just had a change in government (see a pattern?) but this one is far more critical for the region. The new leader, Xi Jinping, is believed to be more nationalist than the previous leader, Hu Jintao, and China has been rattling its sabres against Japan in the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands dispute. Interestingly, Xi has also made public statements in support of China not being an enemy of the US, most likely to try to engage the US and have it at least be neutral in its border disputes. North Korea is an easy concession in such an environment, and in any event China has long been unhappy with North Korea's *peculiar* system of government and its constant resource drain. However, there is also a group of Chinese officials who believe in unconditional support of North Korea as a wedge against the US. The real issue, though, is that North Korea is now effectively an economic dependency of China, and were China to cut off its support in any meaningful way North Korea would collapse immediately. A North Korean collapse is in the interest of no one (save the North Korean people whom few actually care about on any side) so China's opprobrium would most likely be contained to the rhetorical. A typical threat can be seen in Global Times, a populist Chinese newspaper with links to Xi Jinping's faction, here: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/760434.shtml The key quote from this:



    The significance of this signal (and that is precisely what it is) cannot be overstated.
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  23. MrMolecule Armchair Designer

    I have zero knowledge of the issues, although I'm fascinated by them, so could I ask you to expand a little bit on this? Is it assuming that the collapse would possibly entail civil war/military coups/genocide/loose nukes, or am I missing something?
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  24. Lum Fatbird

    China has a very primal fear of "luan", or political strife/chaos. During the Cultural Revolution Mao specifically encouraged the "masses" to rise up and go apeshit as a political pressure tactic, and the resulting massive disorder profoundly affected everyone who lived through it - and that generation comprises the current leaders of China. This is why, when the rest of the Communist world collapsed, China brought out the bayonets and bathed Tienanmen Square in blood - massacring protesters in the center of the Chinese universe was considered preferable to the protest movement catching fire nationally. A good portion of domestic political policy is based on an, again, very primal desire to avoid a reoccurrence of luan. Many Chinese leaders will say, very forthrightly, that democracy isn't an option for China because the people can't be trusted, and for them they have experience of the 1960s and 1970s where when the people had political power, they used it to, well, fuck shit up. Hu Jintao, whose father was purged during the Cultural Revolution, had as his guiding ideology a "Harmonious Society" where everyone is just cool, OK? Be cool, right? It's ok if you get ridiculously rich, or really say whatever you want in private, just be cool. No luan.

    Fear of luan can be overstated (like any other theory for explaining a complex and opaque society) but it explains why China has a knee-jerk reaction to the potential of disorder in North Korea. North Korea is on the border of Manchuria, and many ethnic Koreans live in China near the border as well. A North Korean collapse would result in millions of people flooding into China. It would result in luan. Therefore it must be stopped. It's pretty much exactly that simple.
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  25. Jason McCullough Keeper of the Elemental Materials

    Hrm, that is a good explanation of why China managed to survive, hadn't seen that before. Thanks.
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  26. Lum Fatbird

    As for other players in the drama: South Korea would prefer North Korea gradually "grow up" to South Korean standards, because the alternative would involve injecting millions of literally starving Koreans into the until-that-point-booming South Korean economy. In the meantime South Korea is quite happy to outsource to North Korea as cheap and compliant-at-gunpoint labor. Most other countries (Japan, Russia, the US) don't care enough to really diverge too much from China and South Korea's view.
  27. Sheepherder Armchair Designer

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    That. Plus millions of starving North Koreans moving across the Chinese border, the collapse of the DMZ as forces get pulled from guard duty to suppress revolts, the option between sticking their hand into the hornet's nest or letting Korea reunify under the South when China spent the last half a century trying to prevent it, the loss of NK as a stalking horse, and the loss of the opportunity to be a broker for an eventual reunification of Korea.

    EDIT: Lum is a ninja.
  28. Lum Fatbird

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    "So... as one superhuman deity to another... how WAS Madonna?"
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  29. cuc This Is SEWIOUS

    Good job explaining that! You really know modern East Asian culture pretty well.

    Of course there's a lot more complexity to everything that can't be covered in a forum post, from what happened during the Cultural Revolution, to the many different opinions and factions among today's Chinese people.

    Also, since nobody has pointed out: the "unicorn" in the titular North Korean news is supposed to be 麒麟 (Chinese: qilin, Japanese: kirin), a sacred beast from Chinese myths. It's said to appear when a wise ruler is in reign.
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  30. Kasumi Tsukiko Elitist Negative Nancy

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    Man, I wish there was an East Asian studies major at my university, or even a minor, but we don't even have a generic Asian Studies minor or major. My university fails -.-
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  31. Lum Fatbird

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  32. drew This Is SEWIOUS

    Who's the scary looking dude behind Rod-man (he is a superhero you know)
    He's gotta' be with Dennis, and he don't look too happy.
  33. Pogo Hard Cider Gal

    Meat! So much progress.
  34. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

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    The number of people who can afford the meat would number about a couple dozen, right?
  35. Pogo Hard Cider Gal

    That's correct.
  36. Mark M Elitist Negative Nancy

    I love how these people have no idea how shops are supposed to look.

    That place looks more like a museum.
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  37. Ben Sones Elitist Negative Nancy

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    Given how rare an artifact food is there, it might as well be.
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  38. Rasputin Jim Armchair Designer

  39. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

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