The former....that's a possibility. It will depend on budget and who they can get. The latter....keep your ears perked for TCA sessions. Somebody will ask about that. I know of at least two people who will bring it up if nothing catastrophic happens that pushes it all the way off the docket.
Glenn Mazionga's replacement will be Scott Gimple. I don't know how I feel about that. I quite enjoyed Life. On the other hand, Ghost Rider. And shows for babies. And that thing I never watched on NBC.
Hrm. That was...a little slow. I guess maybe Justified has spoiled me, but I didn't feel like they moved things along all that much The assault to rescue Durl was unexpected, but everything after that moved at a snail's pace.
I think it's obviously setting up for a Murl&Durl Big Damn Heroes moment, Murl does something dickish, Durl either dies heroically or gets to save the day and then angst about having to off his bru'r.
I guess they weren't satisfied with making us hate half the characters and are going to try hard to hit 100%. I came really close to just shutting it down during Andrea's speech to the worst extras of all time. Holy crap, what a low point in an awful episode.
I was hoping for another zombie attack during Andrea's speech, just to shut her up. I was also hoping that a zombie inside the perimeter of Woodbury would mean the end of Woodbury. Isn't that how civilization fell in the first place? You've set up the idea that those inside Woodbury are coddled, and they're acting like they're just sheltered suburbanites ("Honey, the Governor's acting crazy! Let's pack up the Subaru and head to your mother's until things calm down.") so aside from the armed dudes on the wall, they shouldn't be able to deal with a zombie outbreak at all. But all that happens is one random extra gets attacked and we get to shoot him. Feh.
Oh my god, that speech. "When they write about this incurable plague that we are all infected with..." They who, Andrea? Someone needs to bite you.
Wow, all that wait and for THAT? Ugh. Decent write up at io9 with spoilers but basically listing the 3 non-events that happened and all the other lameness that was last nite's episode: http://io9.com/5983346/the-walking-...e-is-troubling-but-not-because-of-any-zombies
I thought for sure they would use a zombie overrun of the town as a motivator to band together and take the prison, but yeah. What a letdown.
Man you guys are fucking harsh. That good season really tricked you all into thinking that every moment needed to be high octane plot resolution constantly. I thought it was definitely a good episode, perhaps not great, but obviously set up as the "beginning of the end" that is this half of the season. We see the Governor obviously losing his mind right from the get go, with his off handed headshot to the loose zombie during the TKO match between the brothers, and then with the headshot of the probably saveable townsperson. Andrea's going to be either his new #2, or more likely a coming sacrifice against Rick. On the Prison side, we see as almost every single major player is beginning to lose their mind, just as I would expect people at this point in the Zombie apocalypse. With Daryl gone, Carol no longer has her Romantic/Personal interest, Rick loses his #2, Carl loses his real father figure (Rick's obviously his father, but not nearly a good enough father figure for Carl, whereas Daryl fell right into "Older brother as a father" role pretty quickly), and the group itself loses one of it's most deadly defenders. Glen's mental breakdown due to the governor is obviously going to have serious repurcussions with his relationship with Maggie, and who he is as a character at his fundamental core. He's no longer going to be the spry young dude who was all about his agility and easy going demeanor. He's gone Super Saiyan now, and is willing to stomp out a zombie in his frustration, and then freak out on their Glorious Leader. Whereas the episode itself wasn't great, the implications that are coming out of the episode are vast and large. I think it's a great start to the second half of this season, a transitional episode which might not be look on favorably over time, but it was exactly what was needed due to that little break between the two halves of the season.
The only things I care about are characters acting somewhat believably and the show making me care about the characters. This episode had none of that. I didn't think it would be possible to hate Andrea any more than I already did, but now I'm actively rooting for her to die. Woodbury is an absolute joke. One minute you have everyone rooting for two brothers to off one another, and the next you have them freaking out that shit has gotten too real and loading up their minivans and trying to leave (which nobody in their right mind would ever do). Then you have them all fall in like sheep to the worst speech ever given outside a Hallmark movie of the week. Top it off with a telegraphed perimeter breach that could have been a real plot-driver but turned out to be the lamest Red Shirt death ever, and you end up with a big boring mess. As for the rest of it, it's just a bunch of crap tossed into a plot blender. Glenn is acting like an idiot. Michonne is acting like an idiot. Durl is acting like an idiot. Rick is ridiculous. Everyone else is annoying window dressing. It doesn't matter how many plot twists you heap on if the characters aren't interesting or believable, and for the most part they really aren't anymore. The comic book did a much better job of evolving the characters over time while still making you root for them. The show is just doing stuff for the sake of doing it, and after this episode I fear it's finally going to flame out permanently.
Hey show - you should be cognizant of other entries in your franchise and, I dunno, not name some scrawny ass white boy Ben, unless I'm supposed to reflexively revile him. He hasn't had a single line that I can remember at this point (top of the episode) and I already want him dead. Also - question from a guy whose never worn a tank top of any kind, let alone a loose fitting one, but isn't whasserface Ty's girlfriend's outfit a little bit ill considered? Seems like she'd have a hard time lifting her right arm out and away. But, yes, you guys are being a touch harsh here. All of the conversations that went on in this episode needed to happen. Maybe they didn't need to happen right now, but they still needed to happen at some point. I agree with Seppinwall/Feinberg that maybe this was the wrong episode to come back on, but it's what they had. They decided they'd rather go out strong than come back that way. Not that everything was without issue. Andrea's little speechlet was pretty godawful (though the impulse for a bunch of normal people to rally briefly in a frenzied mob and then, in the cold light of day, try get away from a place like Woodbury after a disaster is not only understandable, but entirely predictable, and I'm not sure why anybody would think it unnatural or contrived - it's arguably quite irrational, but it's the reaction I would expect to see), the Emily Kinney and Rick thing that the show is obviously working up to feels icky (don't be like Lucifer's Hammer, show), and the extremely necessary Michonne conversation that early reviews led me to expect would be this week was not. That said, Andrea isn't a particularly great character at this point anyway, so pissing all over her isn't doing too much unique damage, and I goddamn well know that at some point in these first three episodes somebody is going to make Michonne at least try to explain why she's permanently configured to hostile shrieking murderer, so I guess I'll look forward to that. It was a slow episode. Those will happen. I expect quite a few will go down before the end of the season since, like it or not, we're going to be working out of the prison set and the Woodbury set. This show isn't at its best when it's slow, but it's the price you pay for tension, so I'll give it some rope before I start decrying its fundamental awfulness. They can't all be zingers, guys, and if it makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure that in the remaining episodes The Governor, Michael Rooker, at least one of the two dudes in Tyrese's group, a significant number of Woodbury paramilitary guys, and maybe one of Emily Kinney, the baby, or Herschel will all be dead, and I'm equally certain that won't happen off-screen, so just tread water for a little while. Maybe let the episodes build up for a week or three and then watch them at double speed.
"We're weak without him," she said solemnly. Lol. I just don't understand why people think the Walking Dead writers struggle with their female characters. Also, holy shitsnacks. That rousing inspirational speech. It was like they had the cameras rolling for a quick dress rehearsal, no need to act or anything, just make sure the lines were known, and then decided the rehearsal footage was good enough.
My favorite part of that scene was how happy everyone seems afterwards, and then they all start hugging. I was dying.
It might be interesting to watch two tough-as-nails leaders of competing groups locked in a grim post-apocalyptic struggle for survival, but instead all we have are Rick and the Governor, and it's not so interesting to see two lunatics flailing self-destructively with no coherent plans. During Rick's psychotic break at the end, I was really hoping that someone (anyone) would just conk him on the head and take over already. Presumably the writers plan for his character to have a dramatic turnaround before seasons' end, but it's going to be too little, too late to make me care about him again. Put Tyrese or Herschell in charge, or Michonne, or hell, Carl... but don't make me sit through another scene of people begging Rick for shelter and being turned away.
For that to work, she needs to answer questions, and to do that, she needs to speak. There's a reason they didn't add a mouth to this...
Is she more verbal in the comics? Does she ever, like, smile? The actress who plays her is delightful. Too bad none of that will ever come through.
Yeah, Rick definitely comes off as way more likeable, charismatic, and a guy who makes smart decisions in the comics. In the TV series, he mostly just annoys he hell outta me.
Are there any comic characters that this show hasn't screwed up? The only really decent characters in this show are ones that weren't in the comic at all.
Michonne is awesome in the comics. More verbal (slightly), all business, and a total badass whom Rick relies on completely and uses when he absolutely, positively needs to get something done. She comes across as a broken animal on the show. In the comic she's still an animal, but a shrewd, utterly imperturbable, ruthless, highly trained animal with a terrific head on her shoulders. I like that the show deviates substantially from the comics in terms of what happens to the characters and how they interact, but I don't like how much it deviates in terms of who the characters are and how they evolve over time. Rick's group is much, much more likable, stable, and sympathetic throughout the comic (though I haven't read the last fifteen or so issues).
I can see varying the plot for you (three or four) people who read the comic, but no need to f up the characters. You must be right about the writing. Alot of angry people this week.
Much like The Phantom Menace was the best Star Wars film of 1999, and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was the best Indiana Jones movie of 2008.
