Republicans Vs. Democracy: Michigan Edition

Discussion in 'The Sanctum Santorum' started by Adam B, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Your sentence structure should be considered assault with a moronic weapon.

    Back to the OP -
    Does this have to stay the Michigan Edition? Because Virginia has some Ideas...
  2. Adam B Keeper of the Elemental Materials

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    Minneapolis
    9/13 = .69
    3/5 = .60

    Republicans still have work to do.
  3. Lum Fatbird

    Pennsylvania is pushing the same thing. Combined with gerrymandering this is effectively throwing every election to the GOP in perpetuity.
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  4. extarbags Already Beat BF's New Expansion

    Don't forget the voter ID law! Pennsylvania is truly at the forefront of this brave new era of voter disenfranchisement.
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  5. brettmcd Keeper of the Elemental Materials

    Voter ID aside, the rest of that is why we just need to scrap the electoral college entirely and go to a popular vote for president. Makes it much harder to play games with things like those 2 states are trying to do.
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  6. But I thought they were justified in that you once found a story about a woman who voted twice. Are you now admitting that these are disgracefully undemocratic efforts by the Republican party with no Democratic analogue?

    As you'll never answer that question, I think I'd be okay with eliminating the electoral college, the upshot would be a concentration of campaigning in huge population centers. Retrograde rural outposts like Wyoming would lose whatever sway they currently hold. The negative upshot could be that marginalized smaller states would feel less invested and elect even more radical bombthowers out of a sense of frustration.
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  7. Lum Fatbird

    We have the Senate for Wyoming and North Dakota to be special snowflakes. I'm OK with Presidential candidates spending more time on New York, California and Texas than the rest of the country because, you know, *that's where the people are*.

    However gerrymandering is a critical problem, it's why the House is currently such a mongolian clusterfuck (gerrymandered districts encourage extreme right-wing candidates who don't feel any need to compromise ever) and fixing it would probably require a Constitutional amendment to be pushed through a House that would never approve it since it would immediately disenfranchise the majority of them. In short, we're fucked and democracy is essentially hosed. Thanks, Tom DeLay.
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  8. brettmcd Keeper of the Elemental Materials


    Nope you would be wrong, I still don't think voter ID is undemocratic or a bad idea. I voted for the amendment for it here in MN that sadly failed.

    And even with the electoral college candidates spend most of their time in the states where the people are because that is where the electoral college votes are as well.
  9. jeffd Armchair Designer

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  10. As an added bonus Gerrymandering has been used to exacerbate racial segregation in the South by creating districts where white folk couldn't vote for a black candidate even if they wanted to.



    Voter ID laws are a good idea to solve what problem brett?

    How can laws specifically designed to disenfranchise old, poor and minority voters be considered "democratic"?
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  11. jeffd Armchair Designer

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    Oakhurst, NJ
    Today Ezra Klein wrote a post explaining why the concept of right-to-work is such bullshit:

  12. jeffd Armchair Designer

    Location:
    Oakhurst, NJ
    Also, here is a paper that concludes the primary macro effect of right-to-work laws is to distribute income upward.
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  13. Adam B Keeper of the Elemental Materials

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    At this point I think it's safe to say that "union stuff is icky" sums up Brett's feelings pretty well.
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  14. jeffd Armchair Designer

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    I know, that was a gratuitous troll on my part. :)

    Didn't we once send him into paroxysms of... whatever it is brett does, when on qt3 we spent like five pages of a thread asking him to reply to someone's post?
  15. Lum Fatbird

    No, that was Andy Bates.
  16. jeffd Armchair Designer

    Location:
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    oh yeah! It's hard keeping the conservative trolls straight. Man, that was good times...
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  17. Bahimiron Already Beat BF's New Expansion

    Michigan Governor claims union-busting is good for unions. Cast of MSNBC Morning Joe zoo crew interrupts him with laughter.

  18. John Reynolds Level 90 Paladin

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    What is your value proposition!!!!!
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  20. TheTrunkDr Hard Cider Gal

    Location:
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    When the alternative is exactly the same services for free, they have none. Guess unions are going to have to start selling merchandise or something.
  21. wallapuctus This Is SEWIOUS

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  23. Carnifex Hard Cider Gal

    Lizard_King with $1 words is just as much fun as Lizard_King with $10 words.
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  24. Adree Sangry Malcontent

    The poor innocent souls who also just watched that Global Warming video Charles posted about. Their minds have been blown this month.
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  25. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

    Location:
    Ferndale, MI
  26. Kildorn Beardy Magnificence

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    Boston, MA
    Lame duck sessions are pretty lame, since it's a time for a rejected majority to go bat shit crazy and do all the unpopular things they think they'd have lost votes over.
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  27. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

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    What a sniveling dickweasel.

  28. Otterloop Beardy Magnificence

    The Libertarian Shithead literally said this, that it won't harm unions in the least, won't take power, won't limit their power, just stop Unions from bullying innocent workers
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  29. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

    Location:
    Ferndale, MI
    Right to work is "freedom to freeload." This guy nails it.

  30. Lokust I Pretty Much Live Here

    Location:
    Central MI
    Apparently we also outlawed sharia law here in michigan, in addition to passing a new version of the emergency manager law that voters just repealed in november.

    I view the former as tin foil hat idiocy and the latter as effectively treason.
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  31. RyanMM Magister Mundi Elyscape

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    Ferndale, MI
  32. Lokust I Pretty Much Live Here

    Location:
    Central MI
    I wish I could vote with my feet and GTFO of this state but I'm stuck here due to my house being worth less than I owe on it, and less than half of what I bought it for.
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  34. Erik J. Hard Cider Gal

    Jesus christ. "We Republicans really need to re-make our image...Oh, I know, let's ram every motherfuckin' controversial bill we have left in our pockets through without reading before the end of the year."
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  35. Kildorn Beardy Magnificence

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    Boston, MA
    I just love it because the ACA was quickly rammed through by taking a fucking YEAR to discuss, but the same people have nary a peep about hammering out everything you can in two weeks before you lose power.
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  36. Rasputin Jim Armchair Designer

    Jesus, they even changed the rules for recalling to make it more difficult to get them out of there. This right here is why I couldn't bring myself to vote for any Republicans in the election, no matter how progressive their views were.
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  37. Erik J. Hard Cider Gal

    That's the thing...they'll STILL control both houses I believe.
  38. bengunn Hivemind Coordinator

    Location:
    Ohio
    Never trust a republican, ever...or was it never trust a commie. I'm so confused these days.

    Either way, fuck these guys.
  39. Otterloop Beardy Magnificence

    The party that doesn't believe in evolution is slowly changing the rules to give themselves permanent power...
  40. Kildorn Beardy Magnificence

    Location:
    Boston, MA
    I believe they retain control, but they got mauled a bit in the senate and lost the ability to just ram controversial shit through without so much as a whimper.

    Anywho: the reason to oppose Right to Work: If it's so good for workers, why do the bills keep exempting Police and Fire Unions?
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