Do we have a thread for this yet? Too bad, I'm making one. Also, fuck you. I like this show. Sure, it's all about Pretty People Having First World Problems, but something about its soap opera quality appeals to me. I'm not sure why everyone doesn't know that Emily Thorne is not who she says she is, since anytime anything happens she stands around with a smug, self-satisfied look on her face, but whatever. It's a fun show! I liked the first episode of the season. The reveal wasn't unexpected, but I still liked how they did it. Anyway, I'm in.
This show has the soap opera problem - not enough genitals to go around. At the rate we're going, we'll get to the end of the third season and Dan's going to have to slam it to his moms because that's the only place left he hasn't put that. One new pretty person in the age bracket is not enough, particularly when I didn't notice any new dudes for Gay Bestie That I Treat Like Shit (Nolan, right?). It's an awful indulgence in what's shaping up to be a night of awful indulgences (queueing up Park right now, which starts out with a ten season premise, which is maybe a little ambitious of them, but I'll roll with it), and it fits well in that regard, but, seriously - the show needs to establish why Nolan continues to hang out with a complete bitch who does nothing but insult him and put his life in danger. On the plus side, at least we won't have to see Newshku being poorly contained by a set of what you could only ironically refer to as shorts for at least a couple of months.
I think it's been pretty well established that: 1. Nolan feels like he owes her father (and he pretty much does) since her dad was the only one to ever believe in him so he wants to make sure nothing bad happens to Emily 2. Just building on #1 is he honestly just wants her to stop and be happy. And if he can't get her to do that, he's going to try to make sure she doesn't end up dead. That doesn't at all undermine the fact that she does treat him like shit. That along with MY MOTHER IS ALIVE was a big theme from shows last year.
I thought the episode wasn't very good until after the big reveal, when it started to actually get going. I understand that they had to do the whole, "Here's where everyone is now" along with the "Here's the big mystery we'll be leading up to all season", but I didn't find it very entertaining. The show is great when it's Emily interacting with the other characters... take her out of the equation and have them just be nasty to each other and it's not as entertaining for me. Well, OK, Nolan and Jack can be entertaining, but that's it.
I find characters like Declan and sometimes even Nolan to be tedious. "YOU DON'T REALLY LOVE HER JACK!" No fucking shit, but bitch showed up pregnant and what's a guy gonna do? Would you really think better of your big brother if he went and abandoned his kid? Really? Really? I have to say, the person I felt the most bad for last season was the son. He was, and still is, being manipulated by absolutely everyone near him and I think--at least before he realized how fucked he was--he was actually trying to be a Good Guy. So here's hoping he goes Dexter on all of them!
Declan is awful in the way that teenage boys in serials are routinely awful. I just hope that he's gone back to wasserface (Emily's sister) so that we don't have to go through another youthy relationship thing from the beginning. However, Newshku's previous employment was at a trashy strip club, which is at least adjacent to the sex trade, so when the lady vanishes for a period of months and then shows back up with something in the oven, I don't think that it's irrational to inquire as to the baby's actual parentage. Not that I don't think that Jack is the kind of dumb that would keep him from actually asking for that for fear of Doing the Wrong Thing (it's what I would probably do in that situation), but Declan isn't being entirely unreasonable here. Getting pissed that he has to give up his room so that the two theoretical parents don't have to sleep in the boat is a little bit much, but....I mean, this is Declan we're talking about.
I don't get why he'd have to give up his room. Aren't Amanda and Jack sleeping in the same bed? Can't the baby exist in a crib next to their bed for awhile? Has anyone writing on this show ever made minimum wage or less? Babies don't need their own damn rooms.
I'm not sure that anyone other than Emily knows what Amanda was doing before she offed the Grayson's security guy and came to find (real) Amanda.
Any show where your sensei ties you to a pole slowly being submerged by the tide for no purpose is one I have to watch every week.. and when you turn rage machine when freed because it was triggering a mommy flashback? Even better :)
Yeah, this show is bonkers. Why does she even have a sensei? And what happened to the one that she had in the last season? Who the hell is the English guy and why does he need a sensei? I'm not entirely sure I know what it's about any more but I'm still enjoying it.
I believe this IS the one she had last season. You know - the one that murdered a guy and fucked up her plan and generally tried to shit on her whenever possible. Emily Van Camp - poster girl for healthy relationships?
Ah, I thought it was a different guy - the hair threw me. I like her actually - I've seen her in so many girl-next-door roles that it's been fun to see her act all devious and tricksy-like.
The Initiative? Jesus, show. I know that's been one thing already on Buffy. I think it might have been another thing on Prison Break. Is there no other word you could have landed on? The League? The Association? The College? The Club? The Union? The Organization? How's about just Our Bosses, or maybe nothing? Just Them for the entire season. And how come in this world of industrial espionage and sneaky revenge plots, how does.....uhhhhh.....crap, I'm blanking on Assistant Girlfriend's name....but how does she not have a password on her cell phone? Additionally, so long as I'm asking stupid questions why is Fake Amanda/Newshku never wearing sensible shoes? She's how many months pregnant and tottering around on heels for the entire episode? And what does this show have against just one hundred percent homosexual dudes? This is twice now they've backed away. The funniest part, though? When Daniel's eavesdropping on Assistant Girlfriend and his dad and she's all, "I'm not going to be your spy anymore" and the camera pans back to him grinning and Magic Stick starts up in my head. Thanks for that, Cleveland Show. Runner-up? This exchange: Declan's Brother (shut up - I'm bad at names): "It's Amanda....she's not good, bro." Declan: "Not good. That mean she's gonna be alright, right?" This is the kid who's trying to make it into an Ivy League school on his academic merits.
Man, I hope they're trying to make Emily unlikeable this season, cause damn it's working. Amanda was never my favorite, what with being a crazy ho, but come on, bitch is pregnant and trying to make it work with the only guy that's ever been nice to her. All that stress on a pregnant lady and now she's gonna die and leave Jack with a baby and a big mommy-sized hole in his life for Emily to fill. God, Victoria is really hamming it up. Like in such a way that her acting gets in the way of me enjoying any scene that she's in. Reign it in, crazy eyes. I love Nolan. A little part of me hopes that he's actually the Main Big Bad when all is said and done.
So, quick role call - is anybody on this show not secretly masterminding a plot to demolish one or more other characters? It's getting to be just a little bit much. I'd like just one character who doesn't have any secrets and isn't suffering from whatever form of congenital retardation seems to afflict the bar owner's kids. Actually, they probably wouldn't seem so stupid if they weren't, like, the only people without a Secret Origin. On the other hand, Nolan has been definitively regayed, which I approve of. I was afraid for a minute there that the show intended for us to forget about that in light of New CFO. And since this got recorded along with this show, hey Henry on 666 Park Avenue - your girlfriend/fiance/whatever is totally hot. How did you find the only bad picture of her on the face of the planet? Maybe if you put that much effort into looking for her, you wouldn't be walking around stuffing missing persons fliers under windshield wipers like coupons for the Seared Genitals Tanning Salon and Smoothie Bar. And I'm totally not mad at you for being actually married to Odette Annable. Not at all. Jerk.
I just don't get this show. Every so often it's like they want me to feel bad for Victoria, but they've painted her as such a stone cold bitch that I just can't. She's awful. And her fake eyelashes weigh too much cause one eye is always really slow to blink and it bothers me. Also Emily's new boyfriend is not hot enough for me to buy she's into him. I still say the only character on the show that we should be rooting for is the son. Everyone has screwed him over! He should've been a poet.
The son is sort of sympathetic, but I can't shake the feeling like he was supposed to have gotten drunk off his ass and run over a coed or something. I'm probably inventing that, but we haven't really seen him all boozed up that much. So far as Victoria goes, the problem here is that the show refuses to commit. Just compare it to its lead-in. Once Upon a Time made the decision that, at least for now (scenes from next week raise questions), the evil queen is good. Done. Former villain is now going to be the good guy. We'll replace her with her super duper bitchy mother and Captain Hook, and those two will be bad. On a show that's basically a gussied up daytime soap, there's not a lot of room for nuance in your characters, and they're trying a few too many things with respect to Victoria at once. If she's ever going to become sympathetic (i.e. in the seventh season, when Emily better either have won or died, we switch sides), it should happen all at once. You don't need to lay a foundation for a sudden personality change when your show is effectively professional wrestling with fewer homoerotic overtones. In that regard, Conrad is a much better character. He's a dick. He's always been a dick. He's a dick who's being dicked over by dickier dicks than himself, but he's still a duffel bag full of ballsweat. I'm not confused about him. Victoria should take a lesson.
1st episode. He killed a girl the previous summer in a boozy accident. So you are not having a feeling. It happened
He did not kill her! It was his girlfriend and he got into a car accident that paralyzed her. Emily convinces him to go apologize and since he always felt terrible about it he does.
Jesus. How bad at life do you have to be for Daniel Grayson to outsmart you? BY ACCIDENT? Also, I would think that, given Ashley Madekwe's secret origin from the previous episode, she'd be a little bit more reluctant about throwing herself genitals-first into a man just because - and she actually said this - he "offered <her> a job." It was a little bit of a limp episode to go out on for the year (you'd normally expect a cliffhanger of some kind or variety), but it was pretty decent. Nolan conti9nues to be the hero of the piece, which is the important part.
I want it to turn out that Nolan was the bad guy THIS WHOLE TIME. I know it won't happen. But I'd like it to.
You know, it's kind of distressing, this show. I don't think I've ever watched a program whose entire premise could be neatly dismissed by security mirrors. So much smirking while walking away from people you just hoodwinked. By the seventh season, there needs to be at least one episode done entirely from the point of view of J. Random Onlooker, possibly wondering what the hell everybody's so goddamn pleased about.
Haha, I said that in the very first post in this thread! I would LOVE if the show was just a little bit aware of that and took a page from Modern Family. "He's dead." "Why are you smiling?" "...I'm not smiling." "Yes you are, you're doing it right now!"
Come on, guys. Each one of you at this point has seem some kind of video/picture of yourselves talking to someone being used as blackmail. How are they not aware that every office everywhere is bugged? I want Emily and Daniel to get together and burn it all down. I don't like accent guy. He's a jerk! P.S. I have to say, Victoria's last line was pretty hilarious. Writers, I know you're out there. MAKE IT BETTER!
I nearly cried! I actually ended up really caring about Amanda. Now I love Victoria's evilness and whatnot, but dammit I wanted Amanda to be happy! And I know she was in a tough spot with the Grayson's anyway and so her living instead of Jack would've ended in tears anyway, and they couldn't both die because then what about Carl? but... actually, that's surprisingly good plotting, where it would have felt out of character for things to not go the way they did; the writers managed to set up a plot where it would require finagling to prevent a character death, not the other way around.
Man, I feel bad for Daniel and Nolan, the only two people on this show that have pretty much been caught up in things because they actually care about people.
Wife and I are still watching. The season has been interesting so far. If only they had not forgotten that Nolan was super gay in the first season but in this one it was more convenient he went the other way.
Nolan has been known bisexual since he called himself a three on the Kinsey scale when first interacting with Tyler. He even had an old male romantic interest this season.
This show is also still on, bitches! We need to come up with a term for the look Emily always gives when she's feeling super smarmy cause something just worked out and she thinks no one is looking EVEN THOUGH SHE IS TALKING WITH SOMEONE RIGHT THEN. Bahimiron and I burst out laughing at the "That's where we're going to LIVE!" announcement and the looks that passed between her and Victoria. This show is the fucking BEST because it is so RIDICULOUS! Daniel is my favorite ever, so that can only mean he's going to get dead soon. Also: boom. Called the Charlotte twist ten seconds into the episode.
I've slowly been losing interest this season, especially with how they seem deadset on deleting everything that happened this season to repeat last season, but the batcrap insanity is still great.
We're some way behind the US on the UK broadcast, (just had the episode where the "Falcon" got revealed and revenged-on) but the fiancée and I are still watching along and enjoying it. One thing I keep noticing that amuses me, though: Conrad seems to be getting ever more whisper-y when he talks. It's getting ridiculous now, even by the campy standards of the show. Is he contracting emphysema or something?
That really was a crazy finale. Is next season the last season, cause that one seemed like an all cards on the table episode!
