Star Trek: Into Darkness

Ah, I don't care enough about Trek to be precious about stuff and rebooting a franchise kinda implies a deviation from the previous canon so... Meh.

Yeah. I mean...Vulcan. It's one thing to blow up Alderaan. That place was filled with space yuppies. Vulcan, however, was filled with logic.

Oh, and if you haven't seen the Japanese trailer, watch the last 15 seconds or so or just look at the image they used for the embed. Yeah, Abrams fucking went there.

I like Trek but still don't care about a reboot that deviates from canon. I wish it really had been a reboot, though--as in, don't bother to even try to tie it to previous canon by having Spock go back in time and start a new timeline. All of that stuff was kind of dumb, and had the side effect of introducing yet another nonsensical time travel plot to a Star Trek film. They could have just made Nero some super-powerful character with advanced technology, but no, he has to be from the future, and angry at Spock for not saving his planet and his wife before they could be destroyed by an exploding sun. Not explained: why he doesn't send a fucking message to Romulus and warn them about the impending disaster a hundred years before it happens. Apparently he's just not very good at the whole time travel thing. Nor are Star Trek writers, as a rule.

The story in the reboot was terrible, so bad it's like it was trolling anyone who had a working brain.

Dr. Elizabeth Dehner?

Jesus Christ you people know your Star Trek.

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And Winona Ryder.

C'mon people, let Winona shop!

Your ignore button just happens to ignore that person for the whole forum.

Lindelof is one of the screenwriters, that gives it a 90% chance of being garbage.

The reboot established that that movie, and all following Star Trek movies, were taking place in an "alternate timeline" from the television shows and the movies that came before. They're deliberately trying to get away from most of the stuff that up to now defined Star Trek, including changing the nature of iconic characters like Spock. How much they end up changing things remains to be seen, really, but I can understand Spoofy's fear that they are going to just keep the name Star Trek but be making movies that are nothing like what Star Trek used to be. (Nute's argument that "Since they own the IP, whatever they call Star Trek is Star Trek" is pretty dumb and misses the point.)

Wait - they blew up Vulcan in the reboot ? Maybe I do have to see it after all ! Annoying vulcanic twerps deserved that !

Blew up Vulcan, killed billions of Vulcans leaving only a few hundred left in the universe, and destroyed nearly all of the ships in Starfleet. And, according to the description for Into Darkness, they're going to blow up nearly all the ships in Starfleet again.

Hah, to be far, by now destroying all the ships in starfleet has got to mean, like destroying three ships or something. I don't think writers/directors/hollywood folk seem to realize just how much work it takes to make a big ol' ship. Our naval vessels are probably a fraction of the cost of a starship, and take forever to build, and a huge chunk of our economy to run. Losing them would be prohibitively expensive to replace.

Of course, what am i saying, they don't even realize that blowing up a planet would severely impact the moon that orbits it. =)

Well, they got the fleet but they didn't get the resource gathering ships, so their economy is still in full swing. Likely they're just spamming Akira and Steamrunner class ships right now, though.

If I had to distill what Star Trek *is* I would echo the thoughts of many over the years that Star Trek is at its very best when it is using fancy technology and sci fi themes to mask the fact that it is really teaching you a lesson about the human condition.

The episodes of the various Trek that people remember and care about are the ones about love, loss, anger, joy, greed, generosity, racism, sexism, war, integrity, etc

The episodes in which there are mysterious gremlins in the tubes that can be fixed using mystery particles are stupid and forgettable.

So far the reboot feels like it's about fancy explosions and nonsense.

Counter point; Tribbles!

No way! That was totally about greed!

Point of order, Poindexter - my argument was about Star Wars.

But the point stands. The owner of the IP has the right to decide what is and isn't part of the canon. Everyone else is just a fan and needs to know their place.

Nobody remembers what the episode was about or its theme, TRIBBLES MOTHER FUCKERS!

Hurray ! So, they just keep blowing up nearly all ships for a few movies. Then they are left with one ship that gets fractioned more and more...could be amusing to watch.

This is the film that in the first five minutes or so told us a supernova was going to destroy the galaxy. I kinda calibrated my science expectations at that point.

They're no tribble at all.

Technically it wasn't so much 'blow up' as 'induce an artificial singularity at the core, wait for it to implode the planet'.

Which means all the mass from Vulcan is still technically there, just a little more...concentrated. So no changes to orbital mechanics.

Get out.

We watched the Gary Mitchell episode of TOS last night, in order to answer the question, "Who the fuck was Gary Mitchell?"

It was not good.

It was first season, Dr. Mccoy hadn't even joined the cast yet, Sulu is in a blue science shirt and seems to be some kind of biologist, and Spock is still shouting all the time.

They run into a space storm, Gary Mitchell (aka random crewman who has a past with Kirk) gets weird eyes and super powers, Kirk tries to strand him on a deserted mining planet, fight. Kirk wins.

If Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell, they better punch up the story a bit.

Did you just call me Poindexter in an adult conversation? Actually, if you go back and look, you'll see that your argument was actually about Star Trek. That's what your first post was about. Spoofy then responded to you by using a Star Wars example and you responded to that, but even then it was in the context of discussing the Star Trek reboot.

Although technically it's true that the owner of the IP can make whatever they want and call it Star Trek (or Star Wars), that super-pedantry misses the entire point of what Spoofy was saying. You have now missed that entire point yet again. Even after Spoofy said "Sure, technically that's true, but my point is X," you still don't get it. I don't know whether you're really so narrow that you can't conceive of somebody using figurative speech, or whether you're just being difficult for difficulty's sake, but whichever it is you should knock it off.

You could have just posted the picture:



Incidentally, they used layered contact lenses with foil in between and a tiny hole poked in the middle so the actors could see. The reason the actor playing Gary Mitchell always had his head tilted is because it was the only way he could see anything.

Well TOS was, on average, pretty rubbish.

I'm not buying that it's Mitchell. Saw a much longer trailer in front of the Hobbit screening earlier, and it shows a very calm and stoic Benedict Cumberbatch inside a standard Star Trek force-field cell. Wearing a Starfleet prison outfit. He does a short VO during the pan-over and says "You think that you are safe. You are not." There was also a longer cut of Spock's hand touching the glass and Kirk raising it up to match that was practically scene-for-scene from Wrath of Khan. This is Abrams' Khan. I'm going to guess that whoever the villain is, he's a relic from the Eugenics Wars (which, as far as we know, the continuity for is still intact) and is an Augment.

He may not be called Khan in the movie, but the villain is clearly influenced by him.

I wouldn't mind a modern version because no matter how often tell me Wrath of Khan is great, they're wrong. The last fifteen minutes maybe, but nothing leading up to that.

Bruce Greenwood even does a VO during scenes we've seen in the latest trailer where's he's saying to Kirk that, while he expects him to do great things, his feeling of invulnerability will one day get everyone killed. This movie is totally Khan 2.0.