Discussion in 'Entertaining Diversions' started by BigSlowTarget, Jan 6, 2012.
Don't get that reference. ;)
Then I won't spoil it, in case you end up playing? There's also a good LP of Metal Gear Solid, in case you don't want to play.
I don't plan on playing it, no. ;)
So, spoil? Or no?
Spoil, I care not. ;)
spoiler'd in case other people dont want to be spoiled if theyve never played MGS
Yeah. Screw this spoiler crap. That's like reading an essay written on an accordion.
I don't hate the new status quo for the show, and I think that all of the characters earned where they are now. Keeping in mind that Sam has NEVER actually enjoyed this job, I can quite easily believe that he'd jump at the right volume of excuses to stop, and since the only way that we know to even get into Purgatory involved phases of the moon and the blood of something that's dead now, I think quitting in that position was reasonable. It's a little bit tougher to buy that he would have completely spaced on, you know, that kid that they totally got into this damn mess in the first place, but I'll go with it to give the show foundation to do another run at this point. I will say that if the show intends to go out on the Demon-Away spell, I won't be satisfied (there's a shit ton of monsters we've seen so far that wouldn't be affected), but that's still totally malleable, so it's probably a little early to get upset about that. I do hope that the show brings in Amelia (whom I can tell already I am going to have to try not to call Mykah, because they both seem to have the same deliberately fouled up, just really sort of ugly-looking hair going on) in a more significant fashion than the premier did, as just throwing the character out will end up cheapening Sam's decision, but I guess I'll have to wait and see on that one.
On the plus side, the show now has an extremely clear direction in which to go, which removes a lot of the issues that it has been struggling with since the fifth season finale. If we're lucky, maybe we get another run at top ten on air.
Totally agreed all around, Brian. thought it had a pretty clear direction last year too, but yeah, this felt pretty focused. I also totally get why Sam did what he did, though the girlfriend totally doesn't buy it for some reason.
Wow. That episode was bad. I mean season one bad.
I disagree completely. My wife thought it was the best one she has ever seen. I did not like it that much but thought it totally worked. My only nit was the idiot bully had no business carrying a camera.. should have shot that scene from a distance
Also disagree. Totally loved it.
I hate it when shows make me feel stuff about myself that I don't particularly like. Maybe I've never grown out of high school, but I got super angry at Michael and....I think her name is Kate, right? Like, inappropriately so. I identify far too strongly with That Third Friend, left poking at the computer while my "friend" bones down. I should work on getting over that at some point. Naming the guy Brian didn't really help. But, some notes:
First, because this was the most annoying, ZOOMING IN DOESN'T MAKE THE SOUND BETTER ASSHOLES. I get that you had to do it (accurate sound throughout the episode would have been a nightmare, and that scene would have completely failed), but that doesn't make it any better. This is, of course, never not a problem for found footage that isn't super-careful, but I can't let it not bother me just a little.
Second, the "what we need is answers" scene was poorly acted all around, and really the only part of things that I think you could defensibly say was just truly, objectively awful.
Third, not enough people know about creepy Wincest porn for that joke to have come up as many times as it did.
But most important of all, this is a show that was originally pitched as a different horror movie every week, and they needed to do this format, and they did it pretty damn well. This was one of the better episodes they've had in awhile.
Hah, I hated that zooming thing, but overall great episode last week.
Last night's episode was AWESOME.
This show likes Greek women. Both Amelia and....uh...Vampirella were Greek. I'll grant that I'm assuming on Amelia since, based on her actress's name, she kind of can't not be, but still, nice way to parallel those two stories.
After the previous week's whimsy I loved last nights episode..
I am liking Benny as an addition to the cast and the actor as well and the construction of the whole episode including Dean's burner cell was terrific!
Yeah, Benny is great, and that burner cell blew me away.
They're going to try and get me by having Sam still get a shot at a decent relationship. Those jerks.
Benny's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but I do wonder where that particular story is going. There's kind of a lot of balls in the air now with Castiel doing his alien abduction thing and I don't even remember where we left off with Kevin and the demon slab. My quiet longing for a Preacher series makes me want them to track down god (who it seems like they have now strongly implied is Chuck, with the whole no two prophets at a time thing) and do....well, anything, really.
I think certain balls are in the air -- Benny, Sam's girl -- to test their loyalty to each other, which is already super strained. I didn't wanna believe Dean would do that burner cell thing, but it totally made sense.
I think we'll see Kevin soon and return to the season arc, while I think the Cas will be part of a multi-season arc leading up to the finale, and God will be involved.
I've also had a hunch for a while that Lisa is God. ;-)
Aw show. Why you gotta bum me out like that? Seriously, though - why haven't we seen one of them at least try telling a romantic lover the truth about shit? I'd like to see that, just once, if only to establish how it's a really terrible idea.
Ah well - next week is Felicia Day's guest appearance for the season, and it looks like it might be a jokey show, which will help to ease some of the sting.
I gotta say, it was pretty depressing. I also really, really have a hate-on for Dean for punishing Sam for having a "normal life." Dean did the same goddamn thing while Sam was trapped in the cage. And now Dean, the killer of anything monster, is friends with a monster? Sam needs to punch him as hard as possible.
Mr W and I are all caught up now! I can read the thread! Hooray!
I'm liking this season pretty well. I thought this week's episode was pretty decent.
Dean told Lisa, or at least she found out when she got involved in some supernatural hoohah, and look how that turned out -- he felt he needed get her brain wiped (WTF by the way). I'd been expecting a final Sam/Amelia flashback in which Sam tells her, "If anything... weird... ever happens, call me. I know about weird." (Which would make "her" text message a bit more plausible.) Maybe we still will, and it will enable her to be back later in the season for help with something weird. I doubt we've seen the last of her and of Benny.
Felicia Day-- hooray! I love her so much.
I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to see what
Quackers see. This show hates women, relationships of any sort of sanity, and even hates the relationship between two brothers that have both (literally) been through hell. It hates everything
I don't know if I'd say it "hates" women, although I can see why you would say so. I think the writers believe the "point" of the show is Sam and Dean's relationship and anything that gets in the way of that story playing out will be crushed. Women are there to add tension to the D-S relationship, not to actually be their own plot line. The only exception I can really think of is arguably Jo, since they kept her relationship with Dean flirty instead of making a thing out of it, and she actually got her own very small character arc.
Except she totally dies for no reason and her mother, who isn't wounded, blows herself up with her. There's no way around it -- the show is not kind to women. Dean, who's now friends with a monster, kills Jewel Staite in cold blood. Why? She was a monster. This even happens in front of her daughter, who he warns, "don't make me come back." It's a powerful and terrible episode, and why I don't think it necessarily demeans women on the show, they just always seem to die a lot, or become psychologically nuts, which is what they just did with Kevin's mom (don't forget that Kevin's girlfriend was possessed, tortured, and then had her neck snapped by Crowley).
oh no doubt, it's not kind to women. But at this point, the only people left from earlier seasons are D & S, and Castiel, and... Crowley I guess? Meg? It's not particularly kind to anyone.
I don't know that I'd say that the show hates women. The show isn't particularly kind to anything outside of its regulars for a couple of reasons. First off, they don't have the money for a bunch of additions to the cast. They've actually trimmed down quite a lot over the past few years - Bobby's out and Castiel lost his regular status. It also didn't help that for the longest time Supernatural never knew how long it was supposed to go for. Since the move back to Wednesday, signs have generally been positive enough that now they can count on one or two more seasons, so you could see the introduction of another Jo/Jo's mom whose name I don't remember character that gets to play out over time. I suspect that Kripke felt a little weird about how he had to handle Bella in the third season on top of that.
So, the show's general aggression against relationships has at least as much to do with the influence of production realities on it as it does with any sort of creative direction. On top of that, I'm not sure that the show can go out without putting at least one of the Winchesters in a healthy relationship. I don't really think we're entirely done with Amelia. She's the right kind of actress to continue showing up on the series into the future (pretty, young - and you can thank the network for that - and not well enough known to demand a premium).
OK - When people ask me why I watch Supernatural this weeks episode is Exhibit A.. The writers know and love these characters.. And they can express their nerd love when they want. An entire episode dedicated to LARPing? Of course.. was it done tremendously well and ended up showing the love? Of course!
Sam was a fool for turning down the hot chick.. And I loved the signage "Warning Gateway to the Future"
:) Also hot fairy sex!
The moment when D & S are watching the website intro and D is getting into it.... priceless
The last scene.... priceless
Most of what's in between.... priceless
I love me the arc episodes but the occasional meta one-offs are probably my favorite.
(Just as "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" is probably my favorite X-Files.... certainly the only one I know the name of!)
Yeah, this week's episode was fun, the type that they put out before wrenching our hearts out the next week. Bastards.
And this shoe doesn't hate women, it just kinda hates everyone. ;) This world is bleak, and healthy relationships aren't meant to survive for long, I think.
It didn't look like Charlie even got to second base. Proof that the show hates women, IMO. Poor Charlie.
Another moment when Dean's face was priceless, though.
Aside: Felicia really needs to play some other kind of part soon or she will forever be "that Guild Wars chick." Maybe that's really all she is, I don't know. I love her though.
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