Jethro: for me, I have no idea. I think it's obviously unacceptable to abort a child who's T- one day from birth. Or T- two days. Or you get the point. On the other hand? I've got absolutely zero problem with first trimester abortions. Allow me some shorthand here, particularly w/r/t to the word squick, which I'm going to use for the vast range of moral and ethical issues with various things: It seems to me that many pro-life folks end up coming to their position via a weighing of competing squick factors. Like, abortion has a certain squick factor. But so does forcing a woman to bear the child of her rapist. Ditto the child of her (insert relative here). Likewise, it's pretty squicky to condemn her to death so she can have a child. So lots of people end up at the "Pro Life except...." stance which actually on the surface makes a lot of sense to me. Some things are squickier than others, and we just do the best we can. Where my thinking goes further is to ask why is it so squicky to expect a woman to bear her rapebaby? Or her incestbaby? Why is it squicky to expect a woman to risk her life to deliver a child? Now we're getting into Aaron's neck of the woods, especially with the former. Clearly the idea of sanctity of life uber alles has gone out the window, because if that really was the case then it wouldn't matter how squicky the circumstances of conception are. But if it's really not sanctity of life uber alles, why is it OK for a woman who got raped to get an abortion, but not a woman who just got laid and unlucky? Why's the former potential baby squicky enough, but not the latter? And OK then there's the whole verbiage I just posited above, w/r/t the whole unlucky thing and &c &c already we're deep in the weeds of gender issues... (see how I'm framing things without even realizing it....). Pretty much that's how I end up at my pro-choice position. I agree an abortion at T- one day ought to be illegal. But the reality is that this is a totally uncontroversial position, literally nobody on earth thinks it ought to be OK. The real battleground is in first and second term abortions, with the like super super rare third term.