Discussion in 'January And Everything After' started by RyanMM, Jun 6, 2012.
Jesus H. Christ. Fucking 4chan...
Well, maybe not for protesting Beiber's drug use, but I wouldn't want to be the guy to tell folks like Buddhist & Tibetan monks that self-immolation as a method of protest is "stupid."
Yeah, that's what I meant. Poor wording, my bad.
Relatively smart people do it to. If people read something they want to believe, they're going to believe it until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise.
See, there's a difference between self-immolation and self-mutilation. The former is generally meant as "intentional suicide on behalf of a collective cause", according to the Michael Biggs study on the subject; the latter has the effect, intentional or not, of drawing as much attention to oneself as to the cause in question. And honestly, nobody with an ounce of self-respect can draw a parallel between mistreatment of Buddhists in Catholic Vietnam and the flamboyant acting-out of a spoiled brat with a recording contract.
...there was going to be more substance to that argument, but the drugs just kicked in hard and I need to lie down.
What're they going to do, beat me up? They're pacifists. What do you say to a pacifist? Anything you want.
No, but a few of us could shove you into the monks' way.
Another miracle cure - "Take honey and cinnamon when you have a cold and magically in 2-3 days you'll be all better" was what it in effect said. You know what? RESTING FOR 2-3 DAYS AND DRINKING PLENTY OF FLUIDS ALSO "CURES" A COMMON COLD!!!! STOP POSTING STUPID CRAP BOOKFACE PEOPLE.....
Why would anyone protest Bieber using the drugs? Doing so might make his music better!
I saw in the article comments that 4chan is trying to blame 9gag.
So I did a quick internet search for '9gag cut4bieber'.
Which lead me to the Catholic Answers Forums where someone has asked 'should we avoid 9gag?'
Which lead me to this awesome post.
I donno, bro, eXtrEme amusement sounds pretty rad to me.
I guess 9gag is the new ebaumsworld.
Actually, some of Beiber's songs are surprisingly catchy lately.
Hmmm...I seem to be part of the stupid shit people say now....
Nah, the kid's talented, even if his music isn't usually my kinda fare. The internet's hard-on for hating him is really just a response to the overwhelming popularity among the young'uns. Get off my lawn, etc etc.
For me it's more about how he's been packaged, marketed, and sold more as a product like breakfast cereal than as an artist. See also, what seems like every modern musical act.
For me, there's no "hate" for the Bieb. I don't know his music at all, and the above comment about drugs was a joke which in turn referenced another joke by a well-known comedian.
That said, I don't think "catchy songs" is a very useful criteria for evaluating a musician's output; after all, most commercial jingles are catchy, too - that's the point of them. Half-seriously, I harbor an innate distrust of deliberately catchy music because it can effectively amount to auditory manipulation of your brain's predilection for patterns and your memory's affinity for simple melody.
You distrust things that humans are hard-wired to enjoy? Do you also hate puppies?
It takes far too much energy to hate someone, much less some teeny-bopper pop artist.
That's every pop act ever. Did you not have a Beatles lunch box?
Someone posted this on Facebook a while ago:
To which I replied:
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why people think pop music has ever been Good, just because you used to be 12 and it was all written for you.
His hair is unarguably stupid though.
I dunno, I had pretty stupid hair when I was his age.
(I never noticed before how much Ringo Starr looks like a skinny Eugene Mirman.)
Plus, that should say "Lyrics... what happened?" since that seems to be what it's referring to.
This was posted on another forum I'm on. A general whinge about gender expectations and that, all the usual stuff.
It impresses me greatly that he sees being interesting as an unfair demand.
It can be, actually. There's a weird expectation that men somehow both manage to listen and ask questions and in general be a good bidirectional conversationalist but also be super interesting and keep the other person entertained and engaged.
Good conversation isn't like that, in my experience; it's a much more mutual thing, where it's engaging each other, essentially being entertained/entertaining together. The difference between a two-person improv show and a straight/funny comedy combo, I guess?
It's hard to put into words, and it's very likely (heh) that the person who was writing it doesn't mean it that way, but I've encountered that a lot and it's quite bothersome.
(Another example, much the same style but different topic, is where to go eat food. My attitude is that I shouldn't have to make the decision solo, in a sense; I prefer to do the narrow-down-by-category thing, or at the very least take a set of constraints from the other person. Making decisions like where to go out to eat food is actually super stressful for me unless I know the area really well and have a ready, comfortable understanding of what's good and what everything tastes like.)
No. It's no not an unfair demand at all. Being able to "listen and ask questions" and be a good "bidirectional conversationalist" are pretty much the basics of being able to converse. Being able to converse isn't an unfair demand. A unidirectional conversationalist is paradoxical.
The unfair demand is in doing the first set (e.g., being a good bidirectional conversationalist) while at the same time doing the second set (e.g., being super interesting and entertaining, keeping the other person engaged, carrying the conversation and ensuring that it stays on mutually interesting topics, etc). I can't be a good bidirectional conversationalist and at the same time carry the conversation all on my lonesome, but the requirement is to do both, which is patently ridiculous. But so is the fact that some people assume I'm paying their share on a first date, or the fact that waiters expect a 15% tip for terrible service, or many other things in society.
It's almost certainly not what the person was referring to, but there is a literally impossible social requirement that men face in dates (there are of course similarly impossible requirements that women face; all such requirements, for both genders, are absurd and we should be conscious of them and work to undermine them). My personal pet theory is that it's Yet More Patriarchy (TM), but that's neither here nor there.
I didn't understand any of that. Maybe I don't understand what 'bidirectional conversationalist' means or something. If it means listening and talking, then it's absolutely possible to listen, talk, and come up with conversation topics. People do it all the time. So how is it literally impossible?
Fuck this guy.
Hey Ryan, lighten up. He's just proud to work his street corner.
Just put him on Facebook, LOL!
eh, it's a refreshing change from your typical wealth redistribution specialist.
So on my first trip into Berkeley, carpooling with a bunch of dancers I'd met less than an hour previously, we saw a lady begging on a street corner with a sign that just said "Make me smile."
I commented, carefully offhand, "Would anyone be offended if I flashed her my tits?"
I didn't, but said carful of dancers and I have become much closer ever since.
No, it's not. His board basically amounts to "FUCK BEGGARS, THEY'RE JUST LAZY". I'll take the normal "i lost my arms in afghanistan and my children are starving and i cant even afford capital letters please help" over that any day of the week.
We'll have to agree to disagree here, then. After seeing the same beggars on the same street corners in Bethesda every week for six, seven years, watching the fact that they're in brand-new high-tops and have added an interesting leather duffel to their ensemble but apparently still can't afford to feed the children they were begging for last month, and being cussed at repeatedly when they knock aggressively on the driver's-side windows and you studiously ignore them...I find it hard to react with anything but annoyance. I understand that my attitude isn't for everyone, and the spirit in which my original comment was intended wasn't so much "malicious glee" as "tired shrugging." There are a wealth of programs out there aimed at getting these people off the streets and into jobs that don't require banging on people's car windows and shoving your spare Burger King cup in their faces. I can't sympathize too much.
(Doesn't help that I keep getting the racist card played on me by this particular population as well. ESPECIALLY in Baltimore. Being screamed at for four blocks by a WRDS about how "that uppity white bitch ain't gimme no money because she white, and I ain't, and she think she so much better WELL SHE AIN'T SHIT" kind of puts you off interacting with anyone on the street unless absolutely required.)
/rant. I suggest moving any further discussion on the subject to one of the politics forums, to which I shall not follow.
What the hell is a WRDS?
Wealth redistribution specialist.
Right-wing slang for beggars, intended to evoke in the reader the same scorn they feel.
Wow, they even have their own language now.
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