When free speech walls fall.

Discussion in 'The Sanctum Santorum' started by The Mad Hatter, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. The Mad Hatter Hard Cider Gal

    Location:
    Funkytown
    Here in Ottawa last week a student group erected what they called a free speech wall at Carleton University. Two days later it was torn down by another student, a gay rights activist who considered it to be a threat even though no hate speech had been written on it. You can read his rationale here. Quoting from it:

    I can't understand the kind of persecution he and others like him have suffered in our society (I saw some examples of it when I searched online, pretty despicable). But has it really reached the point where free speech itself is a threat? Again, nothing hateful was written on the wall. How is it a moral imperative not just to fight hate speech, but also any potential means by which it could be expressed?

    Edit to add - the details are here.
  2. Bahimiron Already Beat BF's New Expansion

    Seems like he was enacting his free speech all over the wall.
  3. Eduardo X Worked The System

    A lot of student activists, i think, tend to want somebody to enforce their "liberation." But, civil rights laws are never passed through isolated good will from governments, they are demanded by communities that are oppressed to the point that the government feels enough pressure that it has to act.
    But to demand that people not speak because the speech will continue the oppression? That's stupid. Prohibiting speech never helps out an oppressed group. It's like when Blizzard banned a GLBT guild in WoW because they used the word "gay." Blizzard did it for their own good, but the people who ended up suffering were the people Blizzard was trying to protect.

    Canada does have laws against hate speech, however. And they're used oddly, imho. I'm on my phone, but I'll look for links later.
  4. Marchhhare Armchair Designer

    Perhaps Mr. Smith should spend more time trying to graduate and less time being a "student activist".
  5. Otterloop Beardy Magnificence

    Libertarians just don't get things sometimes.

    This "attack on our free speech wall" happens literally every year.


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  6. Alfinn Egilsson This Is SEWIOUS

    No people get things more fundamentally wrong with more self-assurance and passion than longtime students.
  7. extarbags Already Beat BF's New Expansion

    Thank you for being a true hero. Unlike most of us who talk a good game but often don't put our money where our mouths are, you recognize that it is not words but deeds that effect true change, and you have risked everything to destroy the tools of oppression wherever you find them. To think, if it weren't for selfless martyrs like you who are willing to risk it all in the name of what's right, we might still have a piece of paper hanging up on a college campus on which people could write stuff. Your noble sacrifice has brought a tear to my eye, sir; truly, this world needs more brave men and women like you.
  8. shift6 Magister Mundi Elyscape

    and then:
    and also:
    le sigh



    Brief article about the incident here for those who don't want to log in to FB to read the OP's link:
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...by-tearing-down-universitys-free-speech-wall/
  9. Jason T Keeper of the Elemental Materials

    I wish "pseudopoliticalperson" were an established concept like "pseudointellectual." Stopping to define the low-stakes "political" efforts of both sides here as "masturbatory trivia pretending to be activism" takes valuable time away from scathingly derisive dismissal.
  10. extarbags Already Beat BF's New Expansion

    I think "pseudoactivist" is both descriptive and understandable. I'm willing to start kicking that term around if you are.
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  11. So the guy burned down the village in order to save it?
  12. Lhowon Hard Cider Gal

    I thought bathroom stalls were the free speech walls at university.
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  13. Sheepherder Armchair Designer

    Location:
    Canada
    Oh professional student unions reps and/or trust fund kids, is there any sort of douchebaggery you're not up to?
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  14. Kildorn Beardy Magnificence

    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Someone want to explain to me what the point of a free speech wall is? It might make sense in a society without free speech, but in one with it.. it's just a whiteboard in a hallway?

    We called those whiteboards when I was in college and wrote funny or insightful-when-drunk shit on them then, too?
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  15. Otterloop Beardy Magnificence

    So someone can tear it down and Libertarians can claim their freedoms are under attack.